[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Will people be happy once all the remembrance of the past is removed?

No way! They want reparations for what was done to their ancestors. Here’s a paragraph on what that might cost from a New York Times article on that topic from 2019:

“What would Sherman’s promise [40 acres and a mule] be worth today?

“Mr. Darity has been mulling that question for years, and is writing a book on reparations with Kirsten Mullen, due out next year. He begins with the cost of an acre in 1865: about $10. Forty acres divided among a family of four comes to 10 acres per person, or about $100 for each of the four million former slaves. Taking account of compounding interest and inflation, Mr. Darity has put the present value at $2.6 trillion. Assuming roughly 30 million descendants of ex-slaves, he concluded it worked out to about $80,000 a person.”

What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 - The New York Times

Who pays for that? You do.

[eyc234]

Originally Posted by NFRicaS

FYI...Most of the looting burning, etc. was begun by white nationalists and neo-nazis...To incite chaos so blacks would be blamed...

Not what I saw on the coverage by all networks. While there were some whites in the videos, the overwhelming majority video of looters coming out of stores were not white.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by Warren

Be careful of the slippery slope you go down. People like JFK, LBJ and MLK were flawed, too.

The issue at hand has nothing to do with character flaws. It has to do with the fact that these people were losers who betrayed our country. Who really thinks that honoring traitors and losers is a worthwhile venture?

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Bellavita

I will rest easy when any sign of paying tribute to traders and people who fought for the right to own a human being is erased. I will rest when the faces on Stone Mountain are removed. I will rest when racist are ashamed to fly the Confederate flag. I will rest when the KKK is disbanded I will rest when Nazis are gone from the face of the earth I will rest when the Red Man is not looked down on I will rest when we don’t discriminate on people who are different than white men And are equal. We have much work to do.

America won the war the south lost. We don’t honor traders and people who fought to own a human being. That is history Confederacy is dead bury the damn thing forever

So does that mean that anyone with an offensive name like Lee or Jackson will now need to change it? Do we need to rename cities and states? Where does the insanity end?

[Windguy]

I have a suggestion for those of you who sincerely think that removing the statues of losing traitors is destroying history.

How about we turn them over on their sides and put up signs saying something like "Here lies the statue of a loser who betrayed our country. He (are any of the statues of women?) fought for the horrific right to own other people." No history is destroyed and a message is sent that not only was slavery a terrible thing, but those who seek change through unconstitutional and violent means will be summarily dealt with.

[deebrock]

According to some they already have.

[butch69]

ALL? That called extending the argument in logic.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Windguy

The issue at hand has nothing to do with character flaws. It has to do with the fact that these people were losers who betrayed our country. Who really thinks that honoring traitors and losers is a worthwhile venture?

Pick me, pick me...I know the answer to that question.


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[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I have a suggestion for those of you who sincerely think that removing the statues of losing traitors is destroying history.

How about we turn them over on their sides and put up signs saying something like "Here lies the statue of a loser who betrayed our country. He (are any of the statues of women?) fought for the horrific right to own other people." No history is destroyed and a message is sent that not only was slavery a terrible thing, but those who seek change through unconstitutional and violent means will be summarily dealt with.

I personally prefer preserving them in their original state and then putting them in a shared, out of public sight, location where students can be taught...what they REALLY represent and why they even exist.

[quietpine]

“History is a set of lies agreed upon.” Napoleon

The past isn’t going anywhere, it is being updated to reflect an agreed upon set of values.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by Choro&Swing

No way! They want reparations for what was done to their ancestors. Here’s a paragraph on what that might cost from a New York Times article on that topic from 2019:

“What would Sherman’s promise [40 acres and a mule] be worth today?

“Mr. Darity has been mulling that question for years, and is writing a book on reparations with Kirsten Mullen, due out next year. He begins with the cost of an acre in 1865: about $10. Forty acres divided among a family of four comes to 10 acres per person, or about $100 for each of the four million former slaves. Taking account of compounding interest and inflation, Mr. Darity has put the present value at $2.6 trillion. Assuming roughly 30 million descendants of ex-slaves, he concluded it worked out to about $80,000 a person.”

What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 - The New York Times

Who pays for that? You do.

So, maybe the U.S. government should have honored Sherman's promise back then, rather than wringing our hands over 150 years later about the hugely inflated amount it would cost today. It would have made a lot of sense from a fiscal standpoint alone, if you really think about it...

[sloanst]

No, this isn't about happiness. This is revolution. Radical organizations do this when they conquer an area. The destruction of memorials essentially removes that which the conquered population can return to, should an uprising of the defeated occur. They destroy the soul of a nation. If there is no remembrance of what was, then there is no basis for a future uprising. ISIS did this by destroying mosques, shrines, murals and statues that were centuries old. One may question, why do we want to remember generals of the Confederacy. We need to remember the mistakes this country made. We also need to remember that this country was founded by revolution and we need to know that we can revolt, even if the reason for revolution, in some cases, is depraved. More often than not, revolutions are a righteous cause. The secession of the South actually sparked the revolutionary spirit of the abolitionists to apply the Constitution to all people and make those in bondage free. Those statues remind us all, that the struggle for freedom is never ending and it will always be a righteous cause.

I think we should raise more statues. Sitting Bull, Geronimo, Tecumseh come to mind, because that was another horrendous mistake of this nation that we have forgotten all to easily because we have nothing visual to remind us.

[Byte1]

Interesting how if one wishes to have a discussion on a matter, someone else that wishes to dominate or dispose of the conversation will use extremes such as "ALL" or nothing. It only becomes a gray area when it comes to personal freedoms that stomp all over the moral majority's view. It's better to not argue, but to just say "NEWS FLASH: I DON'T CARE." Statues have been there for decades with NO complaint. Now, it's not even the minorities complaining (until an anarchist white tells them they are being wronged). The South demonstrated and protested and it was wrong. Today, thousands come out to demonstrate and protest, destroy, riot and kill and it is considered patriotic. When are we going to destroy our War monuments in D.C. because they might insult Japanese, Germans, Koreans or Vietnamese that we killed with our military? After all, we do not want to make any ethnicity feel bad about LOSING to us.
There will always be someone that is "hurt" by being reminded that we have a tainted history. But, our history has made us the best and greatest country in the world, regardless of implied blemishes. Like someone else has said on other threads, if you don't like what's on TV, then change the channel or turn it off. Someone wishes to watch that channel or it wouldn't get broadcasted. Same with memorials. If you don't like that statue, then don't look at it. If you do not like crosses, then don't look at it. It is an insult to some of us when you demean historically significant reminders. I see no reason why any reminders of the CIVIL war would bother anyone when no one living is part of that period in our history. If reminders of that war bothers folks, then I think they should seek counseling. I think that some folks just have too much time on their hands, or they NEED an excuse for their failures.

[rsibole]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Will people be happy once all the remembrance of the past is removed?

For those who haven’t read, or those who have forgotten, here are a few lines from George Orwell’s book, ”1984” . . . .

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

“The Thought Police are the secret police of the Superstate, who discover and punish thoughtcrime, personal and political thoughts unapproved by the government. You can even be punished for a Facecrime if your mind wanders while you are in a public setting and your facial expression reveals your disagreement with the Party.”

George makes Nostradamus look like a amateur at predicting the future . . . . George was just 36-years off the mark but spot on in what he wrote.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by NFRicaS

FYI...Most of the looting burning, etc. was begun by white nationalists and neo-nazis...To incite chaos so blacks would be blamed...

Fake news.