[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Maybe, the efforts to make you, your children, grandchildren or great grandchildren feel shame and guilt for long past grievances is a form of bullying to extort some kind of benefit (money, land or preferential treatment) under the guise of "reparation" for some awful thing that happened generations before they were born or could possibly have had any control over.
I had a friend that spent WW2 in a Japanese interment camp. He was surprised and shocked at the idea of reparations as he understood the context of the time and felt it unnecessary and insulted that anyone should think it necessary. Not the same as the slavery issue to be sure, still in the same context of depriving a people of their freedom.

While the short Japanese internment was definitely shameful and a stain in its own right, it's not even in the same universe...as almost a century of nationally condoned slavery.


I heard someone, somewhere, say something that really resonated with me.

In essence..."we're just asking for acknowledgement and to address the problem...not revenge."

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Wasn't he that guy that had the guts, courage and leadership to admit...that he had been wrong?

Very little of THAT going around these days.

So I guess it's OK to be a clansman as long as you apologize...

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

So I guess it's OK to be a clansman as long as you apologize...

Wrong, it's never "OK"...and I never even implied that it was.

What is OK, is admitting you were wrong...and denouncing your old ways, actions & statements.

Or don't you believe people...are allowed to learn, grow and make themselves better?

If you say no, THAT would really...be a depressing thought.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Wrong, it's never "OK"...and I never even implied that it was.

What is OK, is admitting you were wrong...and denouncing your old ways, actions & statements.

Or don't you believe people...are allowed to learn, grow and make themselves better?

If you say no, THAT would really...be a depressing thought.

Doesn't matter how YOU justify that having a portrait of a KKK kleagle hanging in the senate halls is OK.
It's hypocritical to remove civil war monuments but leave a remembrance of a KKK leader who was instrumental in getting these monuments erected.
Hippocracie at it's finest...

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Doesn't matter how YOU justify that having a portrait of a KKK kleagle hanging in the senate halls is OK.
It's hypocritical to remove civil war monuments but leave a remembrance of a KKK leader who was instrumental in getting these monuments erected.
Hippocracie at it's finest...

Originally Posted by CNM

Or don't you believe people...are allowed to learn, grow and make themselves better?

If you say no, THAT would really...be a depressing thought.

OK, you've answered my question...and proved my point.

You can officially label me as having..."depressing thoughts."

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

OK, you've answered my question...and proved my point.

You can officially label me as having..."depressing thoughts."

The thread subject is about removing symbolic images that reflect poorly on our past. A US senator that was a KKK leader is not one to be revered, whether they "apologize" or not. Remove all or none.
Sorry this depresses you.

[ColdNoMore]

I get it already, no one is allowed to change, or admit and take actions that show...that they were wrong.

.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

I get it already, no one is allowed to change, or admit and take actions that show...that they were wrong.

.

No you don't "get it"....

[Dilligas]

Originally Posted by NFRicaS

FYI...Most of the looting burning, etc. was begun by white nationalists and neo-nazis...To incite chaos so blacks would be blamed...

Maybe they or some other party incited, but you didn’t see the “neo-nazi” doing the looting of the stores.....

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

So I guess it's OK to be a clansman as long as you apologize...

As long as you are a democrat. Robert Byrd - Wikipedia

or 9 out of 10 times one. Ku Klux Klan members in United States politics - Wikipedia

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov

Other than perhaps WASPs every nationality has been discriminated against and the vast majority overcame it and live the American dream.

Some people should stop playing the victim and get on with their lives and work for what they want.

Can I just use what ColdNoMore has said without restating what should be obvious?

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

While the short Japanese internment was definitely shameful and a stain in its own right, it's not even in the same universe...as almost a century of nationally condoned slavery.


I heard someone, somewhere, say something that really resonated with me.

In essence..."we're just asking for acknowledgement and to address the problem...not revenge."

Substitute 'discrimination against (whichever WASP nationality you like)' in place of the "short Japanese internment" above.
Some people should also quit denying that there still is racism in this country today and assuming that the playing field is level for all. We could all do better if we really want to fix the problem of racism & inequity in the U.S.

[Strongel]

Does equal mean special?

[Cheiro]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Will people be happy once all the remembrance of the past is removed?

Since most Americans are totally ignorant of the country's history, the answer is, absolutely. And this is particularly so since these remembrances are of those who were not only disloyal to the country, but actually took up arms to attack the United States. There is a term for those folks.....Traitors!

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Cheiro

Since most Americans are totally ignorant of the country's history, the answer is, absolutely. And this is particularly so since these remembrances are of those who were not only disloyal to the country, but actually took up arms to attack the United States. There is a term for those folks.....Traitors!

Actually they didnt take up arms to attack the US. They took up arms when the south was invaded.

Talk to folks in the south and they will tell you the war was fought for states rights. A very small percentage of southerners owned slaves and the practice was dying out as it was becoming uneconomic.

Having said this slavery was an abhorrent act and should be condemned. However the leaders of that time should be evaluated according to the times.

Robert E Lee did some amazing things after the war and he is an important part of our history and should be remembered.

[coastalnh]

So true. Teaching history in the classroom should be our way of remembrance. We don't need to glorify the bigots with statues or the age of slavery by waving the Confederate flag. Those that stand for these things today are not history buffs. They are racists.