[Byte1]

Gun deaths in Australia were already on the down trend before gun control. In America, most of our gun related deaths are due to inner city gang shootings.

[Two Bills]

A more up to date chart.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

I do not believe most Police complain of being Outgunned. What do you think the bad guys have that the Police don't have?

Capitalism is based on supply and demand. Gun manufacturers are a business like any other seeking a reasonable profit. Where are you getting the "greed" comment from?

I explained that in an earlier post. Here goes again...........Prior to about 1970 all gun magazines were DEVOTED to big and small game hunting , trophy hunting, and sporting bird hunting, and guns and equipment. In the farming areas of ALL states there was a thing called the soil bank, where farmers were paid to NOT farm and plow their marginal areas. These were designed to prevent the good topsoil from blowing away, which had historically been a part (or maybe the main reason) for the Great Depression. These areas of a farm set aside for the Soil Bank provided GREAT cover for deer and game birds. During the 60s it was not unusual to see as many as 30 pheasants crossing a country road in Kansas or Nebraska. The daily limit for pheasant was 4 and many people had large freezers filled up with game birds.
.....Those were the days of the SMALL farms. Today the Soil Bank is gone (I think that the oil companies still get a gov. payment). And so are the small farmers, replaced by FACTORY farms, which plow right up to the property line of a road and overkill the land with phosphate fertilizer. So, there are less game birds and deer due to less cover. So, hunting license sales dropped and gun magazine sales dropped and also gun sales.

The gun manufacturers had lower total profits and some were in danger of bankruptcy. Some bright fellow in the gun makers marketing department said, "Let's turn all the hunters into solder-of-fortune wanna be's, so that we can sell them military look alike weapons". Basically, the gun marketing departments CREATED - through propaganda, video games, and paintball copetetions - a WHOLE NEW class of young GUN OWNERS. And the gun makers got themselves an extra profit benefit because they could charge more for the fully accessorized G.I JOE paraphernalia-laden military style firearm.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

How exactly is that marketing done?

What is the profit margin on an AR or AK?

What is the profit margin on wooden stocked rifles?

If you are going to make such claims please back them up with facts and citations.

I would be glad to do that and also answer the prior post about what EXACTLY Mass murder costs US society - IF I worked for Forbes Magazine or the NY Times and I got paid at their rate AND had a staff to track down some statistics. But, since I am NOT employed as a professional writer. AND this is only a local forum, then I can only make statement of OPINION to the best of my meager ability.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

Yesterday, Jennifer Fernandez, 22 drove her car eastbound in the westbound lanes of I-90 and hit a van head-on containing a woman and five children. Everyone died at the scene.

Earlier this month 53 immigrants died in a semi-truck trailer in San Antonio.

The problem is these high capacity vehicles are killing a lot of people.

In 2021, 42, 915 people died in the US in vehicle crashes. Nobody needs a high capacity vehicle. You never hear of a motorcycle hitting another motorcycle head-on. You never hear of a motorcycle be responsible for mass killings. We can solve these mass killing events if everyone had a single occupant vehicle such as a motorcycle. Anyone below the age of 25 however should have a bicycle.

Satire, Sheldon ?

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would be glad to do that and also answer the prior post about what EXACTLY Mass murder costs US society - IF I worked for Forbes Magazine or the NY Times and I got paid at their rate AND had a staff to track down some statistics. But, since I am NOT employed as a professional writer. AND this is only a local forum, then I can only make statement of OPINION to the best of my meager ability.

In other words you just make stuff up. At least you admit it. But don’t expect anyone to take you seriously.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Reinstate the assault weapons ban it was a reasonable law until Bush allowed it to sunset now it’s out of control!

It was a ban against rifles that looked scary.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Jacob85

Where did the 77 percent come from? If you look at all the past shootings they all had guns that shot multiple bullets! Name a time where someone had a gun that shot one bullet at a time?

You do realize there are other weapons, other than Armorlite 15's that shoot one bullet per trigger pull. You do, don't you?

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And that is the problem right there. That YOU have decided that the problem is a failure of uniform definition of the term "mass murder."

Here's the solution to that problem: stop insisting that's the problem. That's not the problem. The definition of "mass murder" doesn't matter a darned bit.

What matters is that people who shouldn't have had firearms, had them, and used them to kill people who they didn't have the right to kill.

That's the "problem."

And your solution to making sure people who should not have firearms do not, is to take them away from people who should have them? Very interesting.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

In other words you just make stuff up. At least you admit it. But don’t expect anyone to take you seriously.

I am trying my best to be honest and sincere.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by RVJim

yeah, everyone on the internet has “done their research” at the University of Google School of Law and are constitutional scholars and bill of rights subject matter experts. Maybe you are different, maybe you studied constitutional law under Professor Tribe or someone of his caliber but I doubt it. Maybe you wrote your PhD dissertation on the bill of rights, but I doubt it. Self appointed and self certified arm chair experts are everywhere on the internet.

I too am an NRA life member and certified firearm safety instructor as I have mentioned in other posts. The difference is that I don’t need to use pictures of myself with firearms for my profile picture. Responsible gun owners don’t need to prove they own or use firearms. Walk softly and carry a big stick unless you need a picture of you and a firearm to boost your ego.

Maybe you are not telling lies, but I doubt it.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Gun deaths in Australia were already on the down trend before gun control. In America, most of our gun related deaths are due to inner city gang shootings.

That VERY chart confirms what I have been saying. The gun death rate in the US is about 3 times what Australia's is. And Australia's rate DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY after they did their buybacks of semi-auto rifles and allowed bolt actions. That's the way I read that chart !

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

How exactly is that marketing done?

What is the profit margin on an AR or AK?

What is the profit margin on wooden stocked rifles?

If you are going to make such claims please back them up with facts and citations.

It is not fair to ask a certain "type" of person to back up statements with facts. It is triggering. Next you will be asking for truth, which as we learned if we saw "What is a Woman", is a deeply transphobic, racist word; truth. While we are at it, why do you care so much about facts. That shows entitlement. Some (see the first sentence,) find facts to be terribly inconvenient to their point of view.

[Sarah_W]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would be glad to do that and also answer the prior post about what EXACTLY Mass murder costs US society - IF I worked for Forbes Magazine or the NY Times and I got paid at their rate AND had a staff to track down some statistics. But, since I am NOT employed as a professional writer. AND this is only a local forum, then I can only make statement of OPINION to the best of my meager ability.

Honestly Jim, so far most of what I'm reading seems to be fantasy and conjecture based on no facts. Have you read the statistics and citations previously provided?

Let me recap and please correct me where I'm not correct.

We should ban all semi-automatic weapons. Why?
Because they hold large capacity magazines and shoot too fast. Why?
The NRA and greedy manufactures have caused young men fantasize and buy AR style rifles to commit mass murder. What proof do you have of that?
None.

Most mass murders are committed with a semi-automatic rifle. That's not true, most mass murders are committed with a pistol.
Most mass murderers really want to commit mass murders with semi-automatic AR styled rifles. What proof do you have of that?
None

We could stop mass murders if no more rifles were sold. There are already 6-20 million AR style rifles in circulation in America. How would banning new sales affect mass murders? I don't know..

But I know a lot of lives would be saved. How many lives would be saved if we ban sales of AR style rifles? I don't know. Lots

Mass murders cost society millions. Exactly how much? I don't know.

How does violating the rights of millions of law abiding citizens end mass murders and punish evil people? It wouldn't be a violation if the majority of people think we should ban all new sales of semi-automatic rifles. So, you would advocate for mob rule over Constitutional Rights? I don't know.

It's going to get a lot worse. What proof do you have of that? None.

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Facts:
1. Gun rights people, gun control people, and the government all agree that mass murders are rarely committed with rifles of any kind and extremely rare with an AR style rifle.

2. Pistols are used in the majority of mass murders.

3. The majority of mass murders happen in the home, not public places and even more rare in schools.

4. Below is ten years of child homicide data. It is clear where children are dying.

2011, no mass shootings at schools
2012, 27 children killed is school mass shootings(including a univesity)
2013, no mass shootings at schools
2014, 5 children killed is school mass shootings
2015, 1,660 children died from domestic violence., 8 students from mass shooting at school
2016, 1730 children died from domestic violence, no mass shootings at schools
2017, 1710 children died from domestic violence, no mass shootings at schools
2018, 1780 children died from domestic violence, 22 students were killed
2019, 1840 children died from domestic violence, no mass shootings at schools
2020, 1,708 children died from domestic violence. no mass shootings at schools
2021, 4 students killed in mass shootings.
2022, 19 students killed in mass shootings.

We know who is being killed and we know who is doing the killing. Yet, the only focus is on the rarest of events with the rarest utilization of a particular firearm. Why is that?

Should mob rule override minority rights?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Whitley

And your solution to making sure people who should not have firearms do not, is to take them away from people who should have them? Very interesting.

No, they should be taken away from people who shouldn't have them, but have them anyway. AND they should not be sold legally to anyone who shouldn't have them, going forward. The way to determine who should/shouldn't have them can BEGIN with a universal background check and testing to ensure that the gun buyer is qualified to have it. Mandatory safety and use courses at a certified shooting range.

I'm not in favor of a gun ban. Very interesting that you have decided that I am though.