[billethkid]

There have been other global health disruptions in history and civilization has survived and prospered.

That is reading backward....which should portray hope.

Looking forward during our time the outlook is confused by the extreme divided politics of the day. Compounded by instant global communications that allow significant emphasis on what the future holds....which are based on specific agendas...not all of which have the welfare of the masses in mind.

So based on your background, beliefs, influences, hopes.....how do you see the pandemic evolving and do you believe we will get back to life as most know/knew before the pandemic, political and special interest furor?

Not looking for blame or finger pointing or agenda promoting or who shoulda/coulda did or did not catharsis....just down to earth how do you see the future playing out as it affects and may affect your life.

I personally do not see any break with the current trends in infection until there is a vaccine/cure(?). Or there is a new infection/death rate that is accepted as it is what it is like the flu, cancer, auto deaths, smoking deaths, etc.
As the saying goes....this too shall pass.

I personally think the bigger issue facing our lives and how it affects all of our futures, is the accelerating deterioration of law and order to a new level of acceptable violence and selective enforcement of laws.

It seems we are being driven on a win/lose course with significantly dangerous results.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I personally do not see any break with the current trends in infection until there is a vaccine/cure.

Current trends where? There are many places in the world where deaths and new cases are dropping to almost zero with no new surge like Florida. Look at this chart showing deaths per million of New York State and Sweden. New York locked down on March 17, recommended facemasks in early April. Sweden did neither of these. But both places show a rapid rise to a peak and then the numbers start dropping, heading towards zero. Neither Sweden or New York State is showing a huge surge in new cases like Florida. Only conclusion one can make is NY and Sweden have reached a herd immunity threshold, while Florida has not.



Many scientists like Michael Levitt, Nobel Prize winner at Stanford, have studied the data from all over the world and conclude that HIT is less than 30%. This does not mean 30% of population must be confirmed positive by tests. It's estimated that there are 10 times as many untested asymptomatic cases as there are confirmed positives.

Now many studies are showing an even greater number of people who have T cell immunity from previous exposure to other coronaviruses like common cold. Here is a new study from Oxford.

News report:

Coronavirus: Levels of herd immunity in UK may already be high enough to prevent second wave, study suggests | The Independent

Actual study:

The impact of host resistance on cumulative mortality and the threshold of herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2 | medRxiv

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...294v1.full.pdf

Based on these studies, I predict Florida's surge of new cases will start to fall by the end of this month. It's too bad that the percent positive numbers on Florida's website are inaccurate due to the reporting all positives problem, as that could serve as a good indicator. I could be wrong, but if that actually happens, I will remind you that I predicted this at the beginning of July.

[billethkid]

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[Aloha1]

I'm still hearing on the media that the rise in positive cases is due to Memorial Day weekend. ??? That's almost 2 months ago. the experts say the average time from infection to symptoms is 2-5 days, not 2 months. This makes no sense. It call into question the veracity of the reporting. Is this test only identifying Covid positives or is it also picking up other corona virus indicators?

To the point of the OP, I believe we will not only have vaccines by the fall but therapeutics as well and I agree, this too shall pass.

I am also concerned about the ignorance of the public who think eliminating police is a "good" idea. I am reminded of the old adage, "An ignorant public is an easily controlled public."

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by billethkid

There have been other global health disruptions in history and civilization has survived and prospered.

That is reading backward....which should portray hope.

Looking forward during our time the outlook is confused by the extreme divided politics of the day. Compounded by instant global communications that allow significant emphasis on what the future holds....which are based on specific agendas...not all of which have the welfare of the masses in mind.

So based on your background, beliefs, influences, hopes.....how do you see the pandemic evolving and do you believe we will get back to life as most know/knew before the pandemic, political and special interest furor?

Not looking for blame or finger pointing or agenda promoting or who shoulda/coulda did or did not catharsis....just down to earth how do you see the future playing out as it affects and may affect your life.

I personally do not see any break with the current trends in infection until there is a vaccine/cure(?). Or there is a new infection/death rate that is accepted as it is what it is like the flu, cancer, auto deaths, smoking deaths, etc.
As the saying goes....this too shall pass.

I personally think the bigger issue facing our lives and how it affects all of our futures, is the accelerating deterioration of law and order to a new level of acceptable violence and selective enforcement of laws.

It seems we are being driven on a win/lose course with significantly dangerous results.

With a significant amount of people thinking this is all a fabrication from the media, it doesn’t look like it’s going to play out anytime soon.

Did everything open up too quickly? Absolutely!

Should schools not be allowed to start the new school year? Absolutely not!

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

With a significant amount of people thinking this is all a fabrication from the media, it doesn’t look like it’s going to play out anytime soon.

Did everything open up too quickly? Absolutely!

Should schools not be allowed to start the new school year? Absolutely not!

Where is your reference that a "significant" amount of people think this is a hoax? You say we opened up too quickly but schools should definitely open? Your comments contradict themselves. Please explain.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Where is your reference that a "significant" amount of people think this is a hoax? You say we opened up too quickly but schools should definitely open? Your comments contradict themselves. Please explain.

Well lots of people on fb are starting threads saying it is a hoax

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Well lots of people on fb are starting threads saying it is a hoax

Americans ?

[collie1228]

If there is an effective, long-term vaccine made available to everyone, meaning everyone in the world, then there is a chance this pandemic can be stopped. If it is like the flu, with an annual vaccine that is basically a "educated guess" as to its effectiveness, we are in for a long slog with this evil virus. Even if an effective vaccine is developed, we as a society will have to deal with the vaccine deniers, who could make it tough on world populations by their irrational attitudes towards their children being vaccinated. I'm beginning to think that maybe the best solution is to go for the herd immunity. Let everyone be exposed to the virus, and whoever lives, lives. A hard solution for sure, but if exposure to the virus gives you antibodies for life, maybe that is the best solution. Frankly, I don't know. What I do know is everything the experts say flies in the face of human nature, especially American nature, which prizes its freedoms more than anything. We are in a big pickle, for sure.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Americans ?

Probably not. The intelligence community is recently reporting an uptick in social media posts from foreign sources promoting both that meme and one encouraging locking down the entire country again.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Probably not. The intelligence community is recently reporting an uptick in social media posts from foreign sources promoting both that meme and one encouraging locking down the entire country again.

I feel that people who are not on Facebook and cannot read the pulse and feel of how not only their friends feel but others in the community as well are missing out on real information about real life. Those afraid of Facebook are nailing themselves into a box and missing what is really happening, not what they are TOLD is happening.

I have almost a thousand people who I read on Facebook and it is very interesting to read what people who do not hide behind anonymous names have to say about current conditions and about public figures. Some are hidebound to their entrenched views and others seem to be changing. Most feel we don't have a good choice at all this fall. Period and amen.

The attitude on Facebook to me is that things are going to get a whole lot worse in every way before they get better. That means the economy, the danger of infection, the death rate from Covid-19 and the awful poverty that will follow all of this which will be followed by lawlessness.

Many, many, many are tired of the propaganda and preaching from activists who probably all live in Manhattan.

I'm hoping for the best and prepared for the worst.

The covid-19 parties and other things young people are doing to purposefully spread the virus may continue until flu season hits. Then it's possible we could be in for another short term lockdown.

The police are tired and moral is low. Lawlessness could accelerate as a result but not likely. Some militia groups are saber rattling but it's not going to turn into anything. Grand master Jay keeps taunting the kkk and saying he's ordering his "troops" to prepare "all quadrants" for something to happen in Knoxville. He ran for president in 2016 and now he commands a militia. He seems unstable and I doubt his followers will follow him down the path of self destruction. He want's justice for the no knock warrant that lead to innocent people being shot and one killed. This issue has already been resolved so he's looking for a reason to flex his muscles?

Health care workers are tired and need a break. How long can they keep going as things get worse? They'll be fine. States that are not hit hard can send in support. Our military can also help out.

If the schools open and the virus starts to flare up, I'm sure they'll suspend school in hotspots until testing shows it's under control again.

When I visited the Publix last week I noticed a lot of the employees were retirement age. Will they go to work when the virus comes to the villages? I'm sure most will keep going to work.

If a lot of food workers get sick, truckers get sick and there's panic buying of food then food shortages could spread across states hard hit by the virus. This is very unlikely since most smart people have already stocked up and our food stockpiles are full from what I've heard.

Most likely the cold and flu season won't add much stress to our already strained system and people will keep a level head as we ride this thing out.

The election results won't cause any issues either. Some media outlets push the idea that this election has a lot riding on it and that if one party doesn't win there's going to be a few upset people. So what, they'll get over it.

The good thing about the villages is that most of the people probably have a couple of months worth of food supplies, don't need to go to work and can stay in their homes if the virus hits this area.

Everything's going to be just fine

[JimJohnson]

Under the current Direction we will lose 10’s of thousand more citizens before a vaccine is made readily available.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Well lots of people on fb are starting threads saying it is a hoax

I have never really paid much heed to all this foreign intervention and fake news stuff.
But.
After a recent report on BBC news regarding Russian hacking into Covid research laboratories changed my attitude.
Within 50-60 posts in the Comments Section, pro Russian posts of denial, literaly poured in.
The general consensus was the Russian Bots had picked up the reference, and responded.
It was really noticeable how quickly they responded, so now I am even more sceptical of comments on public media.

[JimJohnson]

No country should have to hack our research for medical cure studies. That should be shared information to speed up the process.