[jrg908369]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Where is your reference that a "significant" amount of people think this is a hoax? You say we opened up too quickly but schools should definitely open? Your comments contradict themselves. Please explain.

He said absolutely not on school openings.

[jojo]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

No country should have to hack our research for medical cure studies. That should be shared information to speed up the process.

That the process for vaccine development should be transparent is the point that the director of the National Institutes for Health made on Meet the Press yesterday.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by collie1228

If there is an effective, long-term vaccine made available to everyone, meaning everyone in the world, then there is a chance this pandemic can be stopped. If it is like the flu, with an annual vaccine that is basically a "educated guess" as to its effectiveness, we are in for a long slog with this evil virus. Even if an effective vaccine is developed, we as a society will have to deal with the vaccine deniers, who could make it tough on world populations by their irrational attitudes towards their children being vaccinated. I'm beginning to think that maybe the best solution is to go for the herd immunity. Let everyone be exposed to the virus, and whoever lives, lives. A hard solution for sure, but if exposure to the virus gives you antibodies for life, maybe that is the best solution. Frankly, I don't know. What I do know is everything the experts say flies in the face of human nature, especially American nature, which prizes its freedoms more than anything. We are in a big pickle, for sure.

There is evidence that most people will NOT take the vaccine. Look it up - I can't post links. Only about 30%-40% get the flu vaccine and a similar reception is expected for any other vaccine whether for Covid-19 or something else. I happen to be in that group. I will refuse a vaccine. My reasons are mine alone and no one has a right to judge me in this matter. If our nation won't stop abortions (my body, my choice the radical left feminists say), then I assert the same right ... my body, my choice.

No, vaccines will not solve this. IMHO, we are not going back to normal ... ever. Read your bible. Learn what it says: this civilization that abhors God's laws will come to an end. There is very little time left. Look at how the entire world has been tossed on its ear by a "simple virus". Can you imagine the chaos when a few missiles are lobbed around by some terrorists? What will happen when there are MASS electrical outages? What kind of violence will we see when there are *real* food shortages? It's all right around the corner.

Your first reaction might be: this is crazy talk. Consider that that might also have been your reaction if someone had predicted Covid-19 just a few months ago. More crazy is coming and soon. Totalitarian control (must wear a mask, can't use cash, etc) is coming.

[Bill1701]

It is really hard to tell how this will play out. New studies are coming out that contradict older studies of the virus. One new one says that the immunity to the virus tends to drop off significantly after only a few months. Does this mean you can get the virus over and over? Does it mean a vaccine will not work? So far, the best I have heard is that there are some new, promising treatments for the symptoms. If masks really work, we should mandate them when you are out in public and open everything up.

[merrymini]

Since viruses mutate, they may never get a vaccine that will protect everyone. The media LOVES to foment fear. Remember MERS and SARS? What we did not have then was this massive propaganda machine called the internet and facebook, unrelenting negativism. We will get through this like we get through everything. The biggest issue is not loosing our values and morality, that is what is lacking in our culture. There is no respect or regard and our individual rights are being assailed by the self righteous, todays brown shirts, antifa, etc.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Yep, it is a shame. Facebook is special to so many people, and it has been corrupted. Same with Twitter and a few others.

You are being influenced on those sites, whether you believe it or not. The attempt to take away our thinking, and to cause disruption is/has worked.

I think it is important to observe Facebook for several months before a critique is made of the venue.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by newgirl

You trust Facebook instead of scientists and those that specialize ( education) in the situations affecting us?
This is exactly why America is so screwed up !

The evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable. The hearings a few years ago were downright scary, and was one of the very few times, both sides were in agreement.

[Cheiro]

Originally Posted by billethkid

There have been other global health disruptions in history and civilization has survived and prospered.

That is reading backward....which should portray hope.

Looking forward during our time the outlook is confused by the extreme divided politics of the day. Compounded by instant global communications that allow significant emphasis on what the future holds....which are based on specific agendas...not all of which have the welfare of the masses in mind.

So based on your background, beliefs, influences, hopes.....how do you see the pandemic evolving and do you believe we will get back to life as most know/knew before the pandemic, political and special interest furor?

Not looking for blame or finger pointing or agenda promoting or who shoulda/coulda did or did not catharsis....just down to earth how do you see the future playing out as it affects and may affect your life.

I personally do not see any break with the current trends in infection until there is a vaccine/cure(?). Or there is a new infection/death rate that is accepted as it is what it is like the flu, cancer, auto deaths, smoking deaths, etc.
As the saying goes....this too shall pass.

I personally think the bigger issue facing our lives and how it affects all of our futures, is the accelerating deterioration of law and order to a new level of acceptable violence and selective enforcement of laws.

It seems we are being driven on a win/lose course with significantly dangerous results.

Hi, If one listens to the medical folks, they are the ones who seem to have their "act together" when it comes to what to do with this virus. After all, their only agenda, is to impart medical information. Throughout this entire time, the medical people have been consistent; hand washing, social distancing, mask wearing and sanitation of the environment are the basis of what we are to do. Until there is a treatment, a cure or a vaccine, we must live our lives around these actions. This is what had to be done in 1918 and this is what has to be done now. Any other information, opinions, or suggestions you hear will be coming from a source which may have a more personal, political, or narrow motivation and should be looked at with great skepticism. At the moment, it appears as if our new "lifestyle" is going to be with us for quite a long time. The 1918 flu took almost four years to dissipate. None of us like this, but it is the way of life now. Best wishes and stay safe.

[jmpalladino]

[QUOTE=oneclickplus;1806219]There is evidence that most people will NOT take the vaccine. Look it up - I can't post links. Only about 30%-40% get the flu vaccine and a similar reception is expected for any other vaccine whether for Covid-19 or something else. I happen to be in that group. I will refuse a vaccine. My reasons are mine alone and no one has a right to judge me in this matter. If our nation won't stop abortions (my body, my choice the radical left feminists say), then I assert the same right ... my body, my choice.

No, vaccines will not solve this.

Yes it is one's choice to elect to take the vaccine if developed. Those that do will likely live , those who do not may die, yes it is our choice. I will elect to live thank you. God bless the World!

[davem4616]

Originally Posted by billethkid

There have been other global health disruptions in history and civilization has survived and prospered.

That is reading backward....which should portray hope.

Looking forward during our time the outlook is confused by the extreme divided politics of the day. Compounded by instant global communications that allow significant emphasis on what the future holds....which are based on specific agendas...not all of which have the welfare of the masses in mind.

So based on your background, beliefs, influences, hopes.....how do you see the pandemic evolving and do you believe we will get back to life as most know/knew before the pandemic, political and special interest furor?

Not looking for blame or finger pointing or agenda promoting or who shoulda/coulda did or did not catharsis....just down to earth how do you see the future playing out as it affects and may affect your life.

I personally do not see any break with the current trends in infection until there is a vaccine/cure(?). Or there is a new infection/death rate that is accepted as it is what it is like the flu, cancer, auto deaths, smoking deaths, etc.
As the saying goes....this too shall pass.

I personally think the bigger issue facing our lives and how it affects all of our futures, is the accelerating deterioration of law and order to a new level of acceptable violence and selective enforcement of laws.

It seems we are being driven on a win/lose course with significantly dangerous results.

So, how does this all play out?

There's an almost endless number of scenario's...to name a few:

Once a vaccine is created everything returns to where it was (not gonna happen)

With the huge debt that we currently have, congress looking to spend $1 to $3 TRILLION more on relief and no vaccine yet....the whole US economy could completely collapse when we finally realize that we can't just print more money. When that happens China steps in and we go the way of England, Rome, Greece, Egypt etc.

Another scenario is that no matter what happens in November, we are never able to come together again as a unified country. Result, the USA as we knew it ceases to exist.

Another scenario is a vaccine is developed, the pandemic goes away over time around the world...as a population we are still divided, but we find a way to co-exist for the most part...but the same issues that we have today continue to fester and flare up

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Bucco

The evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable. The hearings a few years ago were downright scary, and was one of the very few times, both sides were in agreement.

The hearings on Facebook?

Show us. Facebook faces public hearings on their practices - Bing

[CS1987]

The swine flu in 1968/1969 killed an estimated 100,000 Americans. The population of the US was about 203 million people. The swine flu killed 1 million people worldwide. Most people who died were 65 and older. The population of the US now is about 325 million people. There were no lockdown's, mask wearing, social distancing, etc. In 1969.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

There is evidence that most people will NOT take the vaccine. Look it up - I can't post links. Only about 30%-40% get the flu vaccine and a similar reception is expected for any other vaccine whether for Covid-19 or something else. I happen to be in that group. I will refuse a vaccine. My reasons are mine alone and no one has a right to judge me in this matter. If our nation won't stop abortions (my body, my choice the radical left feminists say), then I assert the same right ... my body, my choice.

No, vaccines will not solve this. IMHO, we are not going back to normal ... ever. Read your bible. Learn what it says: this civilization that abhors God's laws will come to an end. There is very little time left. Look at how the entire world has been tossed on its ear by a "simple virus". Can you imagine the chaos when a few missiles are lobbed around by some terrorists? What will happen when there are MASS electrical outages? What kind of violence will we see when there are *real* food shortages? It's all right around the corner.

Your first reaction might be: this is crazy talk. Consider that that might also have been your reaction if someone had predicted Covid-19 just a few months ago. More crazy is coming and soon. Totalitarian control (must wear a mask, can't use cash, etc) is coming.

5 facts about vaccines in the U.S. | Pew Research Center

[butch69]

Without universal testing and tracing (not to mention the easier just wear a mask) without a vaccine we'll not doubt face a second wave that could be worse.

[canyonblue]

Originally Posted by CS1987

There were no lockdown's, mask wearing, social distancing, etc. In 1969.

1969 WOODSTOCK