[Juliebythesea]

Yes! We may at stop the senseless killing of black people

[Nannyof3]

If Floyd was white he’d be Live

[Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Please, “driving while black” is the most perpetrated false narrative. Yet if enough people repeat it, it must be true...

I was stopped, I was driving a nice car, asked me for registration and proof of insurance, I Complied with him, he said thank you Sir. Have a nice day and I was gone.... comply with the officers commands, don’t make sudden moves or try to hide anything

[greenflash245]

yes, daily.

[Bay Kid]

If he wasn't so full of drugs he might be alive.

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

show me the statistics that say White men in nice cars are routinely pulled over by police vs Black men. As I pointed out, EVERY Black man has experienced this. I was attempting to explain how even though George Floyd and Jacob Blake are not exemplary people, what they experienced was an extreme version of what all Black men endure--thus the collective anger. In those instances, it's not a "victim" personality--it's people going about their daily lives being stopped for no reason.

I was so struck by the African American Club members at the anti-racism demonstration--these are very educated people many of whom had high ranks in the military and/or successful careers (after all they can enjoy living in The Villages) and when one was describing "the talk" they all had to give their kids, every one of their male members were nodding their heads. They talked about the difference between a white student going to the prom vs a black students. how the black parents can't sleep because they worry the kids might be stopped by police. can you imagine? students dressed for the prom have to worry about that.

You're wasting your time with people in the villages. I have tried myself to educate these people on the realities of being black in America. I described my own experience where I lost my drivers license when I was 17 because I got pulled over on a regular basis when I had black friends in the car. When I got back from the army I had a letter from the governor that said my license had been suspended for 1 year due to points. Luckily my time in the army wiped out my points.

I could describe all of my encounters with the police and it would shock most people. But on this crowd it would be a waste of time.

I also described in detail the war on crime and its effects on the black population. Millions jailed, privatized prisons etc, etc and nothing comes of it with these people.

Don't get me wrong. I think most of the people here are great. Even the racist ones are at their core, decent individuals because it's just their views that are racist. They don't seem to be the violent kind. They just believe that not breaking the law and cooperating with the police solves all the problems blacks face in America. This comes from their perspective and you can't change a person's perception of another person's reality if they're not willing to see the difference.

A person said that man came to her door and wanted to talk about her roof. Other neighbors were having theirs replaced etc and she said that this guy was a conman because of his race which she said we all know which one she was talking about but it would be politically incorrect to say it. She wasn't afraid of this black man because she went on to say she followed him around so she could warn her neighbors that this man was a crook and not to listen to him. It turns out he was a legitimate employee of a legitimate company that was in the area replacing roofs. This is the type of racism we have here. The non-violent kind.

The unfortunate aspect of this, is the use of criminals to show this perspective of black life. As you said, it's not the best of what the black race has to offer.

Be prepared for statistical arguments and logic if you bring up racism. No matter what you say it's not going to change the minds of people who can't see past the white world they experience.

[jammendolia]

it drives me nuts when people ask for proof or say I didn’t hear that. They think they know everything

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009

It turns out he was a legitimate employee of a legitimate company that was in the area replacing roofs. This is the type of racism we have here. The non-violent kind.

Anyone regardless of color who comes to your door soliciting is not legit Good contractors do not need to go door to door soliciting on how to rip off the insurance companies.

[Byte1]

Interesting how it is the slimebag criminals that are the victims. Complaints of criminals being mistreated by the police, and using race as a tool? Just goes to show you how naive some folks (the protected) are when it comes to common sense. Sorry if I do not sympathize with the plight of criminals, regardless of ethnicity. Racial profiling is not the same thing as "systemic racism." Although, it does seem that WHITE cops are being racially profiled or singled out when it comes to implied misuse of authority. Police Depts. have their own Internal Affairs section that investigates bad conduct of their officers. The media and the average civilian has no clue as to what is authorized/practiced police procedure. I have heard ignorant folks ask why "warning shots" were not used, rubber bullets, and social workers instead of physical restraint or lethal force.
This whole thing went totally out of control after a certain person of power stated that "the police acted stupidly" when they arrested his friend a few years ago. Criminals are given way too many chances to modify their illegal, unaccepted behavior. Time to give them the same consideration that they give to their victims. And when a police officer gives an order, if the slimebag does not comply, he should not be given any second thought as to how civil he is treated.
In the old West, gun slingers were hired to clean up an out of control town. Once that was done, the gun slinger lawman was then run out of town because he was an embarrassment and a reminder of how impotent and weak the civilians were. Now, we are seeing the same thing. Defund the police because a social worker can do their jobs. What a laugh. What a joke. What a pathetic and stupid idea. LAW ENFORCEMENT is done by law enforcement officers, not social workers.
Floyd died as a result of an overdose, NOT by being strangled to death. Blake resisted arrest and attempted to grab a lethal weapon to use against the police and was shot. Two individuals with major crimes in their record. Two dirtbags that have resulted in civilians taking up arms and destroying property and killing civilians and police. These two are your champions for justice? Why choose the worst of examples? Why not protest the killing of a retired police Capt who was a GOOD example?

I agree that Floyd's name would not even be known if he was white. But, whites do not have any reason to believe that the police are automatically biased against their color. How do you convince a minority that the majority supports their equal rights but does not condone or advocate bad and unlawful behavior any more than they should? We do not convince anyone by destroying or killing.

Equal rights includes equal responsibility. Laws are not racist. Laws are the same for everyone, not based on color. That idea of laws based on color was destroyed decades ago. Some continue to state that blacks are incarcerated more than whites. OK, but answer one question; did those blacks that were incarcerated break the law? Does it really matter what the ratio of black to white population when it comes to the origination of the crime? Are we going to excuse criminal behavior based on the color of the dirtbag?

[Bonnevie]

[QUOTE=Swoop;1823888]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

Did you ever hear of Tony Timpa before I posted his name? Of course you didn’t. His story wasn’t on every news network 24/7 for days. There were no riots, no calls for police reform. No celebrities spoke out on his behalf. Please, the only similarity is they died the same way, the big difference was the color of their skin!

true but as I explained there was no cell phone video. and the body cam video wasn't released until over a year later and only when the news media fought to get it. it would have been a very newsworthy story that police were on video joking while a white man died. but the death was hushed up.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009

You're wasting your time with people in the villages. I have tried myself to educate these people on the realities of being black in America. I described my own experience where I lost my drivers license when I was 17 because I got pulled over on a regular basis when I had black friends in the car. When I got back from the army I had a letter from the governor that said my license had been suspended for 1 year due to points. Luckily my time in the army wiped out my points.

I could describe all of my encounters with the police and it would shock most people. But on this crowd it would be a waste of time.

I also described in detail the war on crime and its effects on the black population. Millions jailed, privatized prisons etc, etc and nothing comes of it with these people.

Don't get me wrong. I think most of the people here are great. Even the racist ones are at their core, decent individuals because it's just their views that are racist. They don't seem to be the violent kind. They just believe that not breaking the law and cooperating with the police solves all the problems blacks face in America. This comes from their perspective and you can't change a person's perception of another person's reality if they're not willing to see the difference.

A person said that man came to her door and wanted to talk about her roof. Other neighbors were having theirs replaced etc and she said that this guy was a conman because of his race which she said we all know which one she was talking about but it would be politically incorrect to say it. She wasn't afraid of this black man because she went on to say she followed him around so she could warn her neighbors that this man was a crook and not to listen to him. It turns out he was a legitimate employee of a legitimate company that was in the area replacing roofs. This is the type of racism we have here. The non-violent kind.

The unfortunate aspect of this, is the use of criminals to show this perspective of black life. As you said, it's not the best of what the black race has to offer.

Be prepared for statistical arguments and logic if you bring up racism. No matter what you say it's not going to change the minds of people who can't see past the white world they experience.

I realize that. I realize they don't want to consider other views. they want confirmation of their own views. most of the time I ignore it, but I'm tired of doing that. my silence is the equivalent of seeing an unfair situation and doing nothing. so though I know it's useless, I at least stand up for what I believe.

[jbrown132]

I keep reading all these posts and think back to when I was a kid growing up in the suburbs up north. We were all white and would be out just crushing around on Friday and Saturday nights and almost every night during the summer. We were teenagers. I cannot tell you how many times we were pulled over by the police for doing nothing. They would use some excuse as to why they pulled us over but what they were really doing was to see if we were drinking. I reflect back now and realize they were just going their job making sure we were not a danger to anyone else. When I was in my early twenties I was in California and got pulled over on my way home from work. It was winter and dark. One of the police officers stood behind my car with his hand on his weapon while the other approached my window. He asked me to get out of the car which I did and followed his every instruction. He asked me what I was doing there and I told him I was on my way home from work. After checking my registration he apologized for pulling me over but said my car matched the description of a stolen vehicle. So I can point to many times I’ve been pulled over and profiled because of my age. One thing though, I always did what I was told to do and answered them by saying yes officer, no officer and showing respect. Never had a problem by doing this.

[nhtexasrn]

Maybe the police stops have something to do with crime percentages by race. Do some research and you may have your answer.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009

You're wasting your time with people in the villages. I have tried myself to educate these people on the realities of being black in America. .........blah blah blah.............

Sounds like someone is doing exactly what they accuse others of doing "...wasting your time with people in the villages." Blatantly grouping one demographic as being a certain way or living a certain behavioral pattern.

What makes certain WHITE folks believe they are the experts on "BLACK Americans?"

[quietpine]

What do you think should be reported in “national media”, please enlighten us?