[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Medicaid is managed by the states and they use the money for many different things, like free medical clinics, and RVs that provide free treatments and screenings. If people show up without identification and do not speak English, their motto is "when in doubt, shell it out". These mobile clinics target areas where a lot of illegals live. So, they are definitely getting Medicaid benefits. They also show up at hospitals and get free treatment. And, how do illegals pay into the SS system if they don't have a Social Security number?

By providing a fake SSN number. Employers withhold taxes and send them in using the number provided. The IRS doesn't care (or even know?) that it is phony. SS taxes are collected with no possibility that they will ever be paid out to those individuals.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

By providing a fake SSN number. Employers withhold taxes and send them in using the number provided. The IRS doesn't care (or even know?) that it is phony. SS taxes are collected with no possibility that they will ever be paid out to those individuals.

Are you saying that the Social Security administration sets up an account for fake SS numbers? Who do they mail the annual statement to that shows how much you contributed into the system?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Are you saying that the Social Security administration sets up an account for fake SS numbers? Who do they mail the annual statement to that shows how much you contributed into the system?

I'm saying they do not set up an account for fake numbers.

I assume the IRS reports the contributions to the SS Administration who has no idea what to do with the fake number. No statement can be sent out because there is no account. No benefits can be paid because there is no account. The money is collected by the IRS but will never be paid to those who contributes it.

[Battlebasset]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Are you saying that the Social Security administration sets up an account for fake SS numbers? Who do they mail the annual statement to that shows how much you contributed into the system?

Google "how many fake or stolen ss numbers are there". One source says as high as 2.9 million.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

1. Undocumented immigrants who aren't granted refugee status - don't get subsidies from the Federal government. They can't get medicaid. They can't get social security checks. They can't get disability, or section 8 housing, or SNAP benefits. However, the ones who are in on work visas have to pay social security payroll tax - which they will NEVER benefit from. That money goes to you, and me, and whoever else qualifies for Social Security. Immigrants who are not made citizens pay, but don't receive. That's how it works. Now, some STATES will provide some assistance to undocumented immigrants, but Florida is not one of them. So the concern doesn't even apply here.

2. Refugees must cross into this country illegally, in order to even apply for refugee status.

I mean - all of this stuff is easily found on the federal government website, in plain English. You don't need to read anything on any fake news, or alt-media, or MSM or Newsmax or Fox or Breitbart or MSNBC or CNN or even C-Span. Just go to the government website, and read the details of the actual laws themselves, in simple PDF format.

Absolutely incorrect...

You can LEGALLY apply for refugee status at any port of entry or at a US Embassy...

The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is giving ILLEGAL Immigrants FREE health care, FREE cellphones...

And yes, STATES (most currently, Minnesota) that receive FEDERAL monies are now giving ILLEGAL immigrants FREE college tuition...

Add to that, the cost of "free" public education for the children of illegal immigrants... More FEDERAL monies spent...

"The law includes important exceptions for certain types of services. Regardless of their immigration status, not-qualified immigrants are eligible for emergency Medicaid if they are otherwise eligible for their state’s Medicaid program."

"Twenty-one states use federal funds to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status, under the CHIP program’s option enabling states to provide prenatal services through CHIP."

Overview of Immigrant Eligibility for Federal Programs '-' National Immigration Law Center

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Some of us are thoughtful enough to know that this is common. A SSN is required for a job and taxes will be paid against it. Illegal status means they may not take advantage of any/many services for fear of being identified. Money in but no benefits out. Do a little research off the Fox News feeds, it may be enlightening.

FOX News! Everybody drink!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by justjim

Spot on. Workers are needed.

We already have a worker visa program...

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I'm saying they do not set up an account for fake numbers.

I assume the IRS reports the contributions to the SS Administration who has no idea what to do with the fake number. No statement can be sent out because there is no account. No benefits can be paid because there is no account. The money is collected by the IRS but will never be paid to those who contributes it.

I don't doubt it, but my experience with the IRS is that, when they find an error in their favor, they will notify you and send you a refund. In this case, the employer is required to contribute about half of the Social Security tax on behalf of each employee. It sounds like the IRS is basically stealing that money from the employer.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

By providing a fake SSN number. Employers withhold taxes and send them in using the number provided. The IRS doesn't care (or even know?) that it is phony. SS taxes are collected with no possibility that they will ever be paid out to those individuals.

Really?

Could you please explain this?

Did the IRS Send Thousands of Tax Refunds to the Same Addresses? | Snopes.com

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Really?

Could you please explain this?

Did the IRS Send Thousands of Tax Refunds to the Same Addresses? | Snopes.com

What is there to explain? If anything the article supports what I wrote.

Note that the 24,000 refunds were for payroll taxes and not SS taxes. There is no allegation that the filings were filled out incorrectly and the refunds were not deserved, only a question of whether the individuals should have been working in the first place.

This shows payroll deductions, likely including SS taxes, were made by/for these workers. If these were ineligible workers then the SSNs were fake and will never be collected against. Money into the system with no possibility of benefits being paid.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

What is there to explain? If anything the article supports what I wrote.

Note that the 24,000 refunds were for payroll taxes and not SS taxes. There is no allegation that the filings were filled out incorrectly and the refunds were not deserved, only a question of whether the individuals should have been working in the first place.

This shows payroll deductions, likely including SS taxes, were made by/for these workers. If these were ineligible workers then the SSNs were fake and will never be collected against. Money into the system with no possibility of benefits being paid.

A local news station did a piece on this. There is plenty of evidence that it's fraudulent... The IRS never replied to inquiries form the accountants or the reporter...

ITINs, not SSNs...

Over $4 BILLION in fraudulent claims...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gwWaKkV6RM&t=154s

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

A local news station did a piece on this. There is plenty of evidence that it's fraudulent... The IRS never replied to inquiries form the accountants or the reporter...

ITINs, not SSNs...

Over $4 BILLION in fraudulent claims...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gwWaKkV6RM&t=154s

Oh! Income tax return fraud. Yep, could very well be a problem though this report is 12 years old. Illegals aren't the only ones who cheat on their taxes but stopping any cheaters would help.

I was commenting on SS taxes which are separate from what this report is covering.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Oh! Income tax return fraud. Yep, could very well be a problem though this report is 12 years old. Illegals aren't the only ones who cheat on their taxes but stopping any cheaters would help.

I was commenting on SS taxes which are separate from what this report is covering.

You stated "There is no allegation that the filings were filled out incorrectly and the refunds were not deserved..."

Well, I gave you the proof...

And all you can come up with is "everybody does it"? That's your defense?

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Why do you think there are attempts to allow this?

I'll answer it for you: because - it's not allowed, presently. There would be no need to "attempt to allow" something that's already allowed.

#themoreyouknow

And we pay far more into the subsidies for these illegal workers than the sniveling amount they pay into the SS program. It’s all a shell game, far above the heads of many.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Some of us are thoughtful enough to know that this is common. A SSN is required for a job and taxes will be paid against it. Illegal status means they may not take advantage of any/many services for fear of being identified. Money in but no benefits out. Do a little research away from the Fox News feeds, it may be enlightening.

I live in the real world not on Fox TV. But I can see you want to make this political. You haven’t a clue how much is being drained out of Americans pockets for this illegal setup.

I suggest you move away from those TV channels that offer little substance. Try thinking Independent, it’s a real mess out there. No wonder SS is going broke, money which should be focused on Seniors is being siphoned away to everyone but.