[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

In other words, you have absolutely no idea what "woke" means, other than what was shoveled to you by the "alternative facts" machine.

You also have no idea what "defunding the police" means - but again, I refer you to my previous sentence.

The borders aren't open. No one wants open borders. Not anyone. Not even communists. Certainly not "woke" people.

I am "woke." And calling me an idiot doesn't make you right, or put you on a higher rung of the social ladder. But the name calling is just childish, unbecoming of any adult, let alone a self-proclaimed doctor.

Did I call you an idiot? I believe I called the ideas promulgated by the woke idiotic. I only stated I can't understand why anyone would subscribe to them.

So educate me.

Just who does want open borders?
Who wants sanctuary cities?
Who wants free tuition and loan forgiveness?
And just what does "defund" the police mean?

If not the "woke", who?
And how are "they" different?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

In other words, you have absolutely no idea what "woke" means, other than what was shoveled to you by the "alternative facts" machine.

You also have no idea what "defunding the police" means - but again, I refer you to my previous sentence.

The borders aren't open. No one wants open borders. Not anyone. Not even communists. Certainly not "woke" people.

I am "woke." And calling me an idiot doesn't make you right, or put you on a higher rung of the social ladder. But the name calling is just childish, unbecoming of any adult, let alone a self-proclaimed doctor.

What does insinuating that GE is a "White Supremacist" make you?

And your claim that "the borders are not open" is laughable...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Sorry, but you couldn't be further off the mark if you tried.


There is nothing arrogant or hateful about getting the COMPLETE information about a change in store policy and adjusting accordingly.

If you were referring to the original post that I erroneously assumed was some policy to placate the woke idiots, yes it was hateful. And EVERY post I make about these idiots that are trying to destroy our country will be "hateful", "arrogant", "hypercritical" and a whole lot more.

But once again for the record: I support Walmart's actions to lessen the sensory burden on the autistic and anyone else that has trouble dealing with loud noise and bright lights.

As far as the woke idiots go---res ipsa loquitur

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Did I call you an idiot? I believe I called the ideas promulgated by the woke idiotic. I only stated I can't understand why anyone would subscribe to them.

So educate me.

Just who does want open borders?
Who wants sanctuary cities?
Who wants free tuition and loan forgiveness?
And just what does "defund" the police mean?

If not the "woke", who?
And how are "they" different?

No one wants open borders. I already said that. You've chosen to not notice.

Defunding the police means expanding the function of the municipality - using money that would normally ONLY go to arresting people and giving out tickets, and adding social workers and crisis control personnel to help decompress potentially violent situations, so they don't become violent - thus reducing the workload of police, and making them be more efficient at doing their own job - without ALSO having to serve as social workers and crisis control personnel.

This was very well explained, for a couple of years, in most media that was not "alternative facts" media. Most people who don't cling to their alternative facts, already know this.

Free tuition is not free, this is also a known thing. There are several candidates (or were, in 2016 and 2020) who want to see a model of education that is favored in MOST other countries, where people tend to be much better educated overall than Americans are. Where secondary school is semi-private, and STATE university-level school becomes free to all citizens. Private schools remain private, and profitable if they choose so - and can charge whatever the market will bear. But state universities and colleges would not cost money to residents of the state. That would be tuition only. If there's living or food expenses, the families would still have to pay for it. Considering the fact that tuition-free state university works in other countries, it isn't a bad idea. The implementation would be a tough thing in this country though, and that's where there's a divide on the concept.

This COUNTRY is a sanctuary COUNTRY. There shouldn't be a need for sanctuary cities at all. Our country was founded and continued to be developed on the concept of welcoming people in who were escaping tyranny, genocide, fascism, and mandated religion. That is the entire point of the United States of America. Anyone who doesn't understand that - is not paying attention or has chosen to pretend otherwise. The concept of a "sanctuary city" is to accommodate those seeking sanctuary (asylum seekers) who, by law, enter this country illegally. That is the lawful process, if you want to flee for your life from your home country, and seek relative safety in the United States. You come in, you get processed, and you get placed. There aren't enough processors, the process is anything but efficient, and some asylum seekers and refugees can wait 10 years or more before they are finally processed and given permission to be here. Meanwhile, they are given temporary work visas where they can work, pay taxes, have social security tax taken out of their paychecks - but they will NEVER be eligible to collect social security paychecks from those deductions. If they are granted citizenship, any paycheck deductions they have from that moment forward, will finally count. But they have no rights to any of the SS deductions while they are here and not citizens.

It's a trade-off. They pay for the privilege of being here, and they don't have to endure their families being beaten daily, kidnapped, sold into slavery, stabbed, raped, their businesses "taxed" 80% by corrupt guerrilla governments, and leaving them with no money for food, clothing.

The term "woke" - has nothing to do with ANY of the above. The term "woke" means "recognizing that the general population of black Americans descend from slavery, and slavery was a really bad thing, no matter who the slave-owner was, no matter how those slaves got to this country, and we're thankful we as a country don't do that anymore."

That's how I'd explain it to a 10-year-old. Hopefully you're mature enough to translate it to adult-speak.

Woke has also been extended to include any injustice, from systemic racism (which is still a thing, just look at gerrymandered districts in many larger cities around this country), to antisemitism (oh freedom of speech means literal actual pin-wearing Nazis can congregate outside a synagogue in Florida shouting "Jews will not replace us!"), to homophobia (yes they're different. No, they're not trying to get into your pants. If it's okay for a guy and a girl to grope each other in public, then it's okay for a girl and a girl to grope each other in public. Sorry this hurts your feelings but you don't get to decide who other people will love. Full stop.).

Woke isn't permissiveness. Woke is acknowledgement and recognition that "other" exists, and "other" are human beings who deserve to be treated like humans.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

No one wants open borders. I already said that. You've chosen to not notice.

Defunding the police means expanding the function of the municipality - using money that would normally ONLY go to arresting people and giving out tickets, and adding social workers and crisis control personnel to help decompress potentially violent situations, so they don't become violent - thus reducing the workload of police, and making them be more efficient at doing their own job - without ALSO having to serve as social workers and crisis control personnel.

This was very well explained, for a couple of years, in most media that was not "alternative facts" media. Most people who don't cling to their alternative facts, already know this.

Free tuition is not free, this is also a known thing. There are several candidates (or were, in 2016 and 2020) who want to see a model of education that is favored in MOST other countries, where people tend to be much better educated overall than Americans are. Where secondary school is semi-private, and STATE university-level school becomes free to all citizens. Private schools remain private, and profitable if they choose so - and can charge whatever the market will bear. But state universities and colleges would not cost money to residents of the state. That would be tuition only. If there's living or food expenses, the families would still have to pay for it. Considering the fact that tuition-free state university works in other countries, it isn't a bad idea. The implementation would be a tough thing in this country though, and that's where there's a divide on the concept.

This COUNTRY is a sanctuary COUNTRY. There shouldn't be a need for sanctuary cities at all. Our country was founded and continued to be developed on the concept of welcoming people in who were escaping tyranny, genocide, fascism, and mandated religion. That is the entire point of the United States of America. Anyone who doesn't understand that - is not paying attention or has chosen to pretend otherwise. The concept of a "sanctuary city" is to accommodate those seeking sanctuary (asylum seekers) who, by law, enter this country illegally. That is the lawful process, if you want to flee for your life from your home country, and seek relative safety in the United States. You come in, you get processed, and you get placed. There aren't enough processors, the process is anything but efficient, and some asylum seekers and refugees can wait 10 years or more before they are finally processed and given permission to be here. Meanwhile, they are given temporary work visas where they can work, pay taxes, have social security tax taken out of their paychecks - but they will NEVER be eligible to collect social security paychecks from those deductions. If they are granted citizenship, any paycheck deductions they have from that moment forward, will finally count. But they have no rights to any of the SS deductions while they are here and not citizens.

It's a trade-off. They pay for the privilege of being here, and they don't have to endure their families being beaten daily, kidnapped, sold into slavery, stabbed, raped, their businesses "taxed" 80% by corrupt guerrilla governments, and leaving them with no money for food, clothing.

The term "woke" - has nothing to do with ANY of the above. The term "woke" means "recognizing that the general population of black Americans descend from slavery, and slavery was a really bad thing, no matter who the slave-owner was, no matter how those slaves got to this country, and we're thankful we as a country don't do that anymore."

That's how I'd explain it to a 10-year-old. Hopefully you're mature enough to translate it to adult-speak.

Woke has also been extended to include any injustice, from systemic racism (which is still a thing, just look at gerrymandered districts in many larger cities around this country), to antisemitism (oh freedom of speech means literal actual pin-wearing Nazis can congregate outside a synagogue in Florida shouting "Jews will not replace us!"), to homophobia (yes they're different. No, they're not trying to get into your pants. If it's okay for a guy and a girl to grope each other in public, then it's okay for a girl and a girl to grope each other in public. Sorry this hurts your feelings but you don't get to decide who other people will love. Full stop.).

Woke isn't permissiveness. Woke is acknowledgement and recognition that "other" exists, and "other" are human beings who deserve to be treated like humans.

OK, accuse me of cherry picking your post if you want, but.......,.

1) If no one wants open borders, why is our border so porous????? If no one wants open borders, why the resistance to tightening it up?---walls, fences, border patrol. Personally, I would use minefields and machine gun towers, but I doubt you'd agree. And just who is supporting this concept if not "the woke"?

2) When some criminal is trying to invade my home, regardless of his mental health status, I DO NOT WANT A SOCIAL WORKER, I want a SWAT team. And the sooner they put a bullet in his head, the better.

3) We are NOT A "SANCTUARY COUNTRY". We are a country of laws (at least we used to be), and while we welcome those that want to emigrate into the US, there is a LEGAL process for doing this, as well as a waiting list. Those that do not follow the process or wade across the Rio Grande are ILLEGAL ALIENS (not migrants, not undocumented---ILLEGAL). By their very presence they have committed a felony against the people of the United States, and should be immediately deported or incarcerated. This "fleeing oppression" nonsense may apply to a few, but not the hoards that cross daily in caravans through Mexico.

4) As far as "Sanctuary Cities" go, they are the ones that I would IMMEDIATELY DEFUND, and by that I mean pull all federal funding, NOT send in a social worker. I would also arrest the mayor and city council of all these cities for violating Federal law. That should end that problem in a hurry.

5) Yes, many African-Americans descend from FORMER slaves, and slavery was indeed "bad" as you put it. The Egyptians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Babylonians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Romans enslaving just about everyone was "bad" But slavery in the US ended, and I'll even throw you this bone, on June 19th, 1865---158 years ago. It is time to get over it and stop using it as an excuse for every type of "bad" behavior out there.

6) Most human beings deserve to be treated as human, but there are exceptions. Perhaps we should send a social worker to talk to those that cut the heads of babies off in front of their parents.

And finally, I explained the way things are as I would to a 6 year old, hopefullythere are some that can understand it

[Taltarzac725]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqBBBKE5Jm0

Tim the Tool Man was better with communicating than some people using "woke".

It just looks like the equivalent of GGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

OK, accuse me of cherry picking your post if you want, but.......,.

1) If no one wants open borders, why is our border so porous????? If no one wants open borders, why the resistance to tightening it up?---walls, fences, border patrol. Personally, I would use minefields and machine gun towers, but I doubt you'd agree. And just who is supporting this concept if not "the woke"?

2) When some criminal is trying to invade my home, regardless of his mental health status, I DO NOT WANT A SOCIAL WORKER, I want a SWAT team. And the sooner they put a bullet in his head, the better.

3) We are NOT A "SANCTUARY COUNTRY". We are a country of laws (at least we used to be), and while we welcome those that want to emigrate into the US, there is a LEGAL process for doing this, as well as a waiting list. Those that do not follow the process or wade across the Rio Grande are ILLEGAL ALIENS (not migrants, not undocumented---ILLEGAL). By their very presence they have committed a felony against the people of the United States, and should be immediately deported or incarcerated. This "fleeing oppression" nonsense may apply to a few, but not the hoards that cross daily in caravans through Mexico.

4) As far as "Sanctuary Cities" go, they are the ones that I would IMMEDIATELY DEFUND, and by that I mean pull all federal funding, NOT send in a social worker. I would also arrest the mayor and city council of all these cities for violating Federal law. That should end that problem in a hurry.

5) Yes, many African-Americans descend from FORMER slaves, and slavery was indeed "bad" as you put it. The Egyptians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Babylonians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Romans enslaving just about everyone was "bad" But slavery in the US ended, and I'll even throw you this bone, on June 19th, 1865---158 years ago. It is time to get over it and stop using it as an excuse for every type of "bad" behavior out there.

6) Most human beings deserve to be treated as human, but there are exceptions. Perhaps we should send a social worker to talk to those that cut the heads of babies off in front of their parents.

And finally, I explained the way things are as I would to a 6 year old, hopefullythere are some that can understand it

See, this is why the whole "woke" trope is ridiculous. You want schools to disregard history - but you don't even know what history you're wanting them to disregard. June 19 1865 was not the date slavery was abolished in this country. That happened January 1, 1863 - when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. It's just that the word didn't get to Texas until later, and it took Texas officials til June 18, 1865 to get around to telling the slaves that they hadn't been slaves for the past 2.5 years. That's why Juneteenth is a thing. Again - something you'd know, if you pulled yourself out of an "alternative facts" haze and paid attention to actual information.

There's no point in going further with you on this (or any other) topic. You're more interested in spewing the brigaded rhetoric you find on the internet and championing "Whataboutism" to bother with. Enjoy your vitriol. I'll just block you so I don't have to read it anymore.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

See, this is why the whole "woke" trope is ridiculous. You want schools to disregard history - but you don't even know what history you're wanting them to disregard. June 19 1865 was not the date slavery was abolished in this country. That happened January 1, 1863 - when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. It's just that the word didn't get to Texas until later, and it took Texas officials til June 18, 1865 to get around to telling the slaves that they hadn't been slaves for the past 2.5 years. That's why Juneteenth is a thing. Again - something you'd know, if you pulled yourself out of an "alternative facts" haze and paid attention to actual information.

There's no point in going further with you on this (or any other) topic. You're more interested in spewing the brigaded rhetoric you find on the internet and championing "Whataboutism" to bother with. Enjoy your vitriol. I'll just block you so I don't have to read it anymore.

Hey, I ALWAYS stated slavery ended with the Emancipation Proclamation. I only threw you that bone because the woke crowd claimed it wasn't over until the fat lady sung on 6/19/1865. they even were able to get a trumped-up holiday out of it.

And YOU"RE the one that is so far gone into wokeism that it isn't worth debating.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

No one wants open borders. I already said that. You've chosen to not notice.

NYC Mayor Eric Adams: 'We Support Open Borders".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zmcc9xPHBI

This is recent, after the influx of illegals that the city as a santuary city has been hosting & has been begging the influx to stop. He is reiterating the party line. You may not like it, you may not agree with it, but it is the party line.

You've chosen not to notice.

[JMintzer]

If no one wants "Open Borders", then why is the Federal Government cutting the border wire and using bulldozers to lift the barbed/razor wire in Texas so that undocumented aliens can enter the country illegally?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rosethorn

Yeah, because of my "amazing memory," my fun hobby evolved into a career that gave me much joy. My books and I have been featured on PBS' "History Detectives," CBS "Sunday Morning," and several other national programs. It was a good run. I had a blast.

That "amazing memory" comes with a splash of autism. To answer your question, loud noises (and lawn mowers and leaf blowers ) are very disruptive and disturbing. I'm grateful for the quietude of The Villages - and it IS quiet - most of the time!

It's part of the reason I'm here.

Yes, glad you are happy here. I believe that LOUD noises are somewhat disruptive to everyone - some more than others. There are book clubs, movie clubs, and poetry clubs here.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

I think most Villagers are gentle natured souls unlike the few that post here on TOTV. Almost everyone that I have met in person has been very pleasant.

Posting incognito tends to bring the Mr. Hyde out of the Dr. Jeckle.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Posting incognito tends to bring the Mr. Hyde out of the Dr. Jeckle.

And it releases the "crazy" in others...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

While this is true, the word Woke" also triggers a predictable reaction on your side also. This is kind of the pot and the kettle. Maybe both of you need to take a step back on your reactions.

"Woke" has a pretty flexible meaning. It is whatever the person speaking or writing wants it to mean. It is a silly putty of a word.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Maybe I'm confused as to what "woke" means as well, beyond the dictionary definition.

To my understanding, and any of the "woke" folks out there can correct this if wrong, the "woke movement" stands for:

Open borders
Sanctuary cities
Defunding the police
"Free" college tuition
Student loan forgiveness
Spending $130 trillion to combat "climate change"
Ending all fossil fuels

Or, in other words, the total destruction of the America I love

Our borders ARE too porous. But, in the 1950's California had free college tuition and the state did NOT implode. Change is ALWAYS happening and change can be good or bad. Sometimes it should be WELCOMED !!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

In reference to my comments about LOUD annoying gasoline-powered lawnmowers (not electric ones), it would be nice if the WHOLE Villages was a "sensory-friendly environment".

I still don't see how 15 minutes of lawn mowing noise bothers anyone, but even though there are a lot of folks in the Villages on their way "out" we are not in a funeral home where most folks are fairly quiet. I have about 15 minutes of landscaping noise per day in my neighborhood and I hardly notice it. I guess some folks would prefer to have goats eating the long grass instead of a few minutes of "noise." Of course, then there would be complaints of smell. But, then again some folks stray off the subject of the thread too, and that is something we can complain about.