[Bucco]

Originally Posted by DaveZ

I honestly can’t get my head around anyone actually believing Lester or any other source even Google anymore. We all lived through 2020 didn’t we? It was the one thought that I believe Lester was honest to himself and us about. It’s true. Sucks but true.

Not sure what you lived through in 2020, but if you refer to the election, it is pretty much what I expected.

GOP did pretty well except at the top of the ticket, and lost their majority because of the "top if the ticket"

Maybe if you explain what YOU lived through, it may help.

There was truth everywhere and the untruths were proven over and over again to be exactly that....untruths

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Absolutely not.....Lester only reported the lies that
Djt fed to us....come on...."this virus should be gone in weeks" "you don't need a mask" "maybe drink clorox" "the votes were stolen" " I never incited a roit"
And now look where we are....500,000 dead...thank you Donald. Voters rights being taken away....no water or food given???? Again...thank you donald.....but thank God he is gone!

No offense intended but you're doing exactly what other posters are accusing Holt of doing. '500K dead...thank you Donald.' TO BE FAIR, the other side of that argument should be heard. It's a f@@king virus that's highly transmissible. It spread regardless of what anyone tried to do.

'Voters rights being taken away...no water or food given????' I'm assuming you're referring to the new Georgia law. TO BE FAIR, the other side of that argument should be heard. Here's how the law reads:

No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector [a voter], nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast:

(1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is established;

(2) Within any polling place; or

(3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.

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Every State where I've voted has a similar law. Political partisans are not allowed to attempt to sway voters standing in lines waiting to vote. Claiming the Georgia law is anything different is mis-information and just another attempt at indoctrination. But, if you're politically driven and don't want people to know the real truth, you stop being fair and report on an inaccurate version of the law.

[Lindsyburnsy]

So we should listen to someone who says insurrectionists at the capitol were hugging and kissing the police?

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

So when it is the journalists idea of the truth it is ok to give a one sided report of the news.

Scary.

[Ptmckiou]

“Providing an open platform for misinformation, for anyone to come say whatever they want, especially when issues of public health and safety are at stake, can be quite dangerous."

Lester is stating in the beginning of his speech, how it has become today. A “state of affairs” review. Since this was not the entire speech, and taken out of context, it’s more difficult to see. However, he reveals his opinion of today’s news by the above quoted “...can become quite dangerous “. Obviously m he doesn’t agree with the one sided lies and misinformation.

Too often these days, shows that run on “news networks” are not news, but entertainment shows based solely on the shows lead commentators OPINIONS, which are not always FACTS. Big difference between OPINIONS, vs FACTS. FACTS are indisputable, and based on proven evidence by a solid source, such as legal or court happenings. It use to be that video of something was fact , but no more. Technology has gotten so good in faking videos by putting people in videos (even dead people) that you can’t rely on videos anymore as fact.

We need the news to go back to FACT base, and not OPINIONS of that network which misleads the viewers,

[soonerforever]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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From a major Network News "Journalist" on NBC NIGHTLY NEWS. This is the man responsible to edit and deliver NEWS. But listen to this direct from his mouth>

NBC's Lester Holt says we don’t need to hear both sides to define truth: ‘Fairness is overrated’

NBC News anchor Lester Holt received the Edward R. Murrow Lifetime Achievement Award from Washington State University Tuesday evening, an honor given to those who demonstrate a commitment to excellence.

In his acceptance speech, the longtime journalist offered his advice to others in the field, emphasizing the value of truth-telling.

"I think it’s become clear that fairness is overrated ... the idea that we should always give two sides equal weight and merit does not reflect the world we find ourselves in," Holt said on Tuesday night while accepting an award at the 45th Murrow Symposium.

"Decisions to not give unsupported arguments equal time are not a dereliction of journalistic responsibility or some kind of agenda. In fact, it's just the opposite. Providing an open platform for misinformation, for anyone to come say whatever they want, especially when issues of public health and safety are at stake, can be quite dangerous."

"Our duty is to be fair to the truth. Holding those in power accountable is at the core of our function and responsibility," he said. "We need to hear our leader's views, their policies and reasoning. It's really important, but we have to stand ready to push back and call-out falsehoods."
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"Providing an open platform for misinformation" "Misinformation" - In WHOSE Opinion????
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NBC's Lester Holt Emphasizes 'Regard for Truth' as He Accepts Edward R. Murrow Award

Just remember you'll never be able to convince an idiot of anything---holds especially true on this board.

[santiagobob]

Originally Posted by blueash

So in a discussion of the shape of the earth the media should give equal time to those who believe it is round [ish] and those it is flat? This is the kind of situation Holt is discussing. When one side has no credible evidence and the other side has an overwhelming amount of evidence, the credible evidence should be all that is presented perhaps with a brief mention that not everyone accepts that conclusion.

You need to understand what Holt meant by "fairness" It is not fair to crazies refuse airtime to the flat-earthers. But it is not fair to the viewer to present flat earthism as an equally supported position by giving it equal time.

It is not fair to be compelled to tell how some believe that Hugo Chavez controlled our last election or that someone ran a child sex ring in the basement of a pizza parlor or that there is a world wide Jewish scheme to control everything [see Henry Ford]. Some beliefs do not deserve to be treated "fairly". That is what Holt meant. Lies do not deserve fair airtime.

Well said Blueash
Fox News attorney stated in court that Fox News cannot be held liable for things they say on air as being factual because their listeners must know that they make up stories to reinforce the views of their audience. The items they air are beliefs and opinions not actual facts. This was in defense of a Billion dollar suit against Fox for slander. Great denebse! everyone should know we don't tell the truth.

[DaveZ]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Not sure what you lived through in 2020, but if you refer to the election, it is pretty much what I expected.

GOP did pretty well except at the top of the ticket, and lost their majority because of the "top if the ticket"

Maybe if you explain what YOU lived through, it may help.

There was truth everywhere and the untruths were proven over and over again to be exactly that....untruths

I really need to do that? The election was just one example but a good one. Let’s add Covid lest we forget that. There are more. My point is that almost no information in media exists without spin and there is no source of objective truth. We spend ridiculous amounts of time arguing about sources (a facet of the Google and social media business model) that simply replicate other sources adding spin, nuance, fabrication, idealism, morality, logic, or whatever word suits. Not new but bigger and better in 2020 are bold lies without even being sandwiched between truths. Machine generated news that motivates clicks without the expense of reporting real life. “Predictions” are in the same bucket. Always something horrible, they almost never come true but are taken as truth and we argue about them too as we click away to prove them. Covid generated wonderful revenue for nearly every platform (including Lester’s) from predictions alone.

My point is simple (or I thought it was); who can believe any of it after the rich experience we lived through in 2020?

[sloanst]

You can't say what is true until you fully investigate both sides of an issue and present the merits of both. Otherwise you are just lying to the people. IMHO any journalist that does this is no longer worthy of the Constitution's 1st Amendment free press protections.

[allsport]

What he said was that information needs to be truthful, not what you think should be true. There are many news sources who deal in lies and that almost caused the government to be overthrown. You should watch Q Into the Storm on HBO. It is a documentary that shows just how gullible people are and that is no surprise. Look at the traveling salvation shows in our history.

[doecats]

the media is so biased that the ""TRUTH"" is not important anymore ,it is the ratings achieved by the sensationalism of the report that is the only IMPORTANT thing and their own personal views interspersed with the report.

[conman5652@aol.com]

Y’all need to step back for a second. What he means is u don’t chase stories that are ridiculous and stick to the truth. Not all statements are tire. For example the “election was stolen”. No proof has been presented in any courtroom but my party still perpetuate the lie.
That what he talking about.

[meboyle]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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From a major Network News "Journalist" on NBC NIGHTLY NEWS. This is the man responsible to edit and deliver NEWS. But listen to this direct from his mouth>

NBC's Lester Holt says we don’t need to hear both sides to define truth: ‘Fairness is overrated’

NBC News anchor Lester Holt received the Edward R. Murrow Lifetime Achievement Award from Washington State University Tuesday evening, an honor given to those who demonstrate a commitment to excellence.

In his acceptance speech, the longtime journalist offered his advice to others in the field, emphasizing the value of truth-telling.

"I think it’s become clear that fairness is overrated ... the idea that we should always give two sides equal weight and merit does not reflect the world we find ourselves in," Holt said on Tuesday night while accepting an award at the 45th Murrow Symposium.

"Decisions to not give unsupported arguments equal time are not a dereliction of journalistic responsibility or some kind of agenda. In fact, it's just the opposite. Providing an open platform for misinformation, for anyone to come say whatever they want, especially when issues of public health and safety are at stake, can be quite dangerous."

"Our duty is to be fair to the truth. Holding those in power accountable is at the core of our function and responsibility," he said. "We need to hear our leader's views, their policies and reasoning. It's really important, but we have to stand ready to push back and call-out falsehoods."
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"Providing an open platform for misinformation" "Misinformation" - In WHOSE Opinion????
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NBC's Lester Holt Emphasizes 'Regard for Truth' as He Accepts Edward R. Murrow Award

If we speak out as well as post to places like this, sooner or later these anti American clowns will get the message. This is America..we hold our freedoms near to our heart. We can disagree, but not accept these ideas, and let them all know we won’t support the destruction of our country and all it’s greatness.
Just tell your truth..be true to yourself..a winning way to live.

Mr Murrow is turning in his grave..😢

[LateBoomer]

These aren't journalists at all. These are people who got into the field to push political agendas. Yes, it's very scary when idiots like this set themselves up as the arbiters of truth. And they are supported by Big Tech, most the media, and core supporters of the Dem Party. it's scary. I no longer wish to have lib friends, to be honest.