[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Andyb

Mail in ballots will create fraud a an unbelievable rate, already proven, dozens of cases already. Need voter ID too.

You really should provide a link or details on at least one of the "dozens" of cases you know of.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by rrlavigne

Fact's are, mail in voting has always been there, it's part of the system. And right now where a lot of people are rightfully afraid to be around others it's an important tool to our democracy. And voter suppression is very real and in full force here!

How is it voter suppression when any eligible voter can request an absentee ballot if they have a valid reason?

Once again, absentee voting is worlds apart from mass mailing of ballots based on incredibly inaccurate and poorly maintained voter databases.

Voter suppression is a canard to mask the attempts to steal elections.

[Bethwill]

That's the difference between ABSENTEE ballots and MAIL IN. We already have ABSENTEE ballots so there us no need for Mail ins.

[Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

My concern is that a ballot is/should be like money. If you are "eligible" you are entitled to one. You go to the polls and show your ID and receive one. If you go a second time, the record would show that you already had your one vote. If you request a mail in ballot , you get one. There should not be an uncontrolled mass distribution sent to "Current Residents" like an advertisement.
If states can insure the control of such ballots to insure the one per person rule is maintained in each voting district, show the plan. Show how all districts are prepared to verify, count and report results in a timely manner. No bags showing up weeks later.

Mandatory Voter ID Required, if you can go to the Grocery Store, you can go Vote in person, if you are out of the area on Voting day request an absentee ballot, (note they are only counted on close elections) With the Post Office handling the mail, you will see a lot of abnormality including late ballots and lost ballots, the USPS is NOT UPS or FeDex the last two are examples of private sector versus Government, private sector gets it done while Government runs massive deficits each year!!!!!!!!

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by fishon

Mail in ballots are considered suspect.
They are only scrutinized and counted when the election is close enough.
Hence the big to do a couple of years ago when the ballots from overseas military were late being delivered and returned.

This isn't true. Five states, including some red states, have successfully been using mail in voting for years with fraud less than 0.00004%.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by LindaManson

I think it is OR that uses vote by mail totally. Voter fraud is not an issue. I don’t know if it is still true but in CO you could not buy liquor on Election Day, as a way to combat apparent voter fraud. Voter fraud and vote by mail appears to be an issue because the person with the bully pulpit is saying it is but without proof.

EXCLUSIVE: Voter fraud in Palm Beach County: State attorney finds crimes, but no suspect - News - The Palm Beach Post - West Palm Beach, FL

Anyone with any integrity and access to google could verify hundreds of investigations like this every election cycle. Voter fraud is real and undeniable. The key point is not whether voter fraud happens but that it will happen on a much grander scale with the rules of mass mail in voting and ballot harvesting such as in CA. That is because it makes it virtually impossible to identify and prosecute the criminals.

And you definitely won't see it with your political blinders on.

State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.

Records: Too many votes in 37% of Detroit’s precincts

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

This isn't true. Five states, including some red states, have successfully been using mail in voting for years with fraud less than 0.00004%.

Rutrow, you're inserting actual facts...into a discussion.

Get ready to be bombarded...with personal attacks.

[72lions]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

I am not against mail in ballots. However, I think that there should be a requirement that they should be requested. That way a need is expressed, a current address is provided, and an opportunity to insure that the requester is properly registered can be verified.

Simply mailing to everybody creates an needless opportunity for confusion and abuse.

From the beginning of this country, voting has been a right that must be personally performed. Choosing not to vote is your decision. A vote should be private. Nobody should know my vote. All votes should be collected by the vote deadline. Votes delivered after the vote deadline should be nullified. Otherwise my vote is essentially known.

Are you aware that five states conduct their elections entirely by mail ballot and the incident of fraud is less than 100th of 1%. And, virtually every state has allowed voters to vote by mail should they choose to for decades. There is no, I repeat no evidence that mail balloting is fraught with more fraud than any other method. Those responsible for county and state elections have documented this time and time again. The current brouhaha is just another example of fake news perpetuated by the White House.

[72lions]

Originally Posted by fishon

Mail in ballots are considered suspect.
They are only scrutinized and counted when the election is close enough.
Hence the big to do a couple of years ago when the ballots from overseas military were late being delivered and returned.

Sorry but this is incorrect. All ballots are counted and, there are 5 states where all votes are cast by mail.

[sloanst]

There are 1.5 million more registered voters in LA county than there are adult residents. 1.5 million ballots for deceased people and people that have moved elsewhere. California as Motor/Voter. When one gets a driver's license, they are automatically registered to vote. California passed a law that allows illegal immigrants to get valid California driver's licenses. You tell me if there is a chance that those non-citizens are allowed to vote or not. California is being pro-active in mailing out ballots. In your opinion, is there a greater chance for voter fraud than before?

[davem4616]

I'm okay with mail in (or absentee) ballots...I've used them in the past a few times when I knew that I'd be traveling on election day

what I'm not okay with is 'mass mailing' ballots out to everyone just because their name is on the voting list

If you're an independent, what ballot do you get in the primary (or do you even get to vote unless you declare yourself to a party)

Today, if you want to mail in your vote, individuals can request a mail in ballot....that's referred to as "a pull"

just "pushing" ballots out to everyone is what I take exception to...the present process for maintaining accurate voting lists are inconsistent and many communities may lack the necessary oversight

the voter lists aren't always accurate and up to date
the process for tallying and recording mail in ballots are most likely unable to handle the volume in a timely fashion if everyone voted by mail....so we'd wait a couple of days to know who won....heck that what it was like in Lincoln's era

I'm for keeping the voting process the way it's been done in the past

[robaldsc@hotmail.com]

Ballots are not mailed to everyone. What is being mailed is an application for a ballot

[ithos]

Originally Posted by 72lions

Are you aware that five states conduct their elections entirely by mail ballot and the incident of fraud is less than 100th of 1%. And, virtually every state has allowed voters to vote by mail should they choose to for decades. There is no, I repeat no evidence that mail balloting is fraught with more fraud than any other method. Those responsible for county and state elections have documented this time and time again. The current brouhaha is just another example of fake news perpetuated by the White House.

It is absurd to think that the amount of fraud can be determined when every single vote cast has a broken chain of custody. I am sure most of the elections were fairly accurate. But as seen in California, a tsunami of ballot harvested votes counted after election day wiped out large GOP leads for four Congressional races.

And for those who think that Voter ID is racist should look in a mirror.

Results and policy lessons
Researchers found that notifications about voter ID requirements did not negatively impact voter turnout, and may have actually increased turnout.

The Effects of Voter ID Notification on Voter Turnout in the United States | The Abdul Latif Jameel Poverty Action Lab

[GoPacers]

Originally Posted by sloanst

There are 1.5 million more registered voters in LA county than there are adult residents. 1.5 million ballots for deceased people and people that have moved elsewhere. California as Motor/Voter. When one gets a driver's license, they are automatically registered to vote. California passed a law that allows illegal immigrants to get valid California driver's licenses. You tell me if there is a chance that those non-citizens are allowed to vote or not. California is being pro-active in mailing out ballots. In your opinion, is there a greater chance for voter fraud than before?

I'm not sure where you get your data but try again (or cite your references).

There are 7,851,531 adults living in LA County as of Feb 2020. You'll have to do a little math but here is the population pyramid by age (https://worldpopulationreview.com/us...ty-population/). You can also just simply google "How many adults live in Los Angeles County?" and it comes back with the referenced number with a link to the worldpopulation review web site.

There are 4.3M registered voters in LA County (Elections & Voting).

It would seem there are nearly $3.5M more adults in LA County than there are registered voters. I will agree that proactively mailing out ballots is a blatant attempt to encourage more people to vote (). I'm not sure why that would be a problem when the # of registered voters is slightly more than 55% of the adult population.

I'll also agree that getting more registered voters in LA County is more likely to benefit Democrats given that Democrats outnumber Republicans by a 2:1 margin (approximately) in LA County.

I think it's great that California (and all other states) try to increase the number of registered voters and that they encourage more people to vote. That's how a democracy works. Thankfully, we have an electoral college that ensures the most populous states (i.e. CA, NY, IL) don't elect the President by rendering the votes in many, many other states meaningless.

Anyway, in the immortal words of Joe Friday: "Just the facts...!"

[nn0wheremann]

County election officials should at least do canvases. We bought our house. Four years ago. They still send voter registration materials to the former owners, who moved to New York, and the post office keeps delivering these. I mark the canvas cards return to sender, addressee moved out of state, and put them back in the mail, but no one gives a hoot.