[Alana33]

I am registered to vote by mail here in FL. I am grateful to be able to execute my constitutional right, safely, in the privacy of my home, especially during these times of a pandemic.
Due to back issues, there is no way I can stand and wait in long lines to VOTE.
I have a voter ID and my signature must match my voter registration.
Voting by mail during an outbreak of a deadly virus should be a no - brainer.
As I recall during the 2016 election, electronic voting machines were targets of hacking and manipulation.
You can choose whether to go in person to vote or mail in your ballot.
Stay safe.

[sallybowron]

"I am not against mail in ballots. However, I think that there should be a requirement that they should be requested. That way a need is expressed, a current address is provided, and an opportunity to insure that the requester is properly registered can be verified." I think all voters should be vetted before they are given the right to vote.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by sallybowron

"I am not against mail in ballots. However, I think that there should be a requirement that they should be requested. That way a need is expressed, a current address is provided, and an opportunity to insure that the requester is properly registered can be verified." I think all voters should be vetted before they are given the right to vote.

What “vetting” would you add to the existing vetting ?

[ColdNoMore]

The dark underbelly secret of the 'anti-mail ballot' crowd, is the fact that their goal is to minimize the number of people...who can exercise their Constitutional right.

Everyone knows the primary demographic of those who have a harder problem getting to a voting location...and standing in line for hours.

Add a pandemic, that also targets this same demographic more than others, and even someone with just a modicum of intelligence can see...what is the real impetus for those who are against mail-in voting.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

The dark underbelly secret of the 'anti-mail ballot' crowd, is the fact that their goal is to minimize the number of people...who can exercise their Constitutional right.

Everyone knows the primary demographic of those who have a harder problem getting to a voting location...and standing in line for hours.

Add a pandemic, that also targets this same demographic more than others, and even someone with just a modicum of intelligence can see...what is the real impetus for those who are against mail-in voting.

You think it is to hush old people? Really? I thought it was to eliminate the newly arrived, without drivers licenses and stuff like that. Oh wait. are there sides here? I think that carefully checking all ballots against information that is important, such as being an alive human, is very important. When the stimulus checks were sent out some folks got two and some didn't get any...…… Let alone all that mix up with money not available for those who want to collect unemployment instead of working...…..I didn't mean THAT....

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

The dark underbelly secret of the 'anti-mail ballot' crowd, is the fact that their goal is to minimize the number of people...who can exercise their Constitutional right.

Everyone knows the primary demographic of those who have a harder problem getting to a voting location...and standing in line for hours.

Add a pandemic, that also targets this same demographic more than others, and even someone with just a modicum of intelligence can see...what is the real impetus for those who are against mail-in voting.

It looks like the obvious, isn't so obvious after all, for those (who like with the Floyd tragedy) purposely turn their backs, close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears and screech....nah-nah-nah-nah.

I apologize for making it too complicated for some folks...my bad.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

The dark underbelly secret of the 'anti-mail ballot' crowd, is the fact that their goal is to minimize the number of people...who can exercise their Constitutional right.

Everyone knows the primary demographic of those who have a harder problem getting to a voting location...and standing in line for hours.

Add a pandemic, that also targets this same demographic more than others, and even someone with just a modicum of intelligence can see...what is the real impetus for those who are against mail-in voting.

Oh the low expectations of soft bigotry.

Are you saying that there is a certain "demographic" that is less capable of requesting a mail-in ballot?

It is the vulnerabilities of mass mailing and ballot harvesting to fraud that is the primary issue.

And as a superhero, shouldn't you be up in Atlanta protecting the rioters and looters from the police?

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by ithos

Oh the low expectations of soft bigotry.

Are you saying that there is a certain "demographic" that is less capable of requesting mail in ballot?

It is the vulnerabilities of mass mailing and ballot harvesting to fraud that is the primary issue.

Given that there has NEVER been proof of any widespread fraud in mail-in voting...your attempted distraction is simply a logical fallacy.

Originally Posted by ithos

And as a superhero, shouldn't you be up in Atlanta protecting the rioters and looters from the police?

Nice try, but as I've stated many times, I have absolutely ZERO TOLERANCE...for those who commit violence, looting or other crimes.

However, if I could have but one super power, it would be the ability to change the color of certain folks skin and then check back in with them later...to see if they still think the same.

[Snorkl46]

If banks do check signatures, they do a terrible job. I know for a fact that checks have cleared without verification.

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You think it is to hush old people? Really? I thought it was to eliminate the newly arrived, without drivers licenses and stuff like that. Oh wait. are there sides here? I think that carefully checking all ballots against information that is important, such as being an alive human, is very important. When the stimulus checks were sent out some folks got two and some didn't get any...…… Let alone all that mix up with money not available for those who want to collect unemployment instead of working...…..I didn't mean THAT....

You may have missed the the demographic that was being referenced. Or maybe not.

.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You think it is to hush old people? Really? I thought it was to eliminate the newly arrived, without drivers licenses and stuff like that. Oh wait. are there sides here? I think that carefully checking all ballots against information that is important, such as being an alive human, is very important. When the stimulus checks were sent out some folks got two and some didn't get any...…… Let alone all that mix up with money not available for those who want to collect unemployment instead of working...…..I didn't mean THAT....

I believe what you suggest be done is done in all states, and pretty much has been unquestionably safe and secure.

We all know the reason for this discussion, and we just circumnavigate instead of being honest.

When our government established the commission to look into "millions of illegal immigrants voting" namely in California...that was great. The commission lasted 5 months, and as with every indecpendent, federal, state or local investigation, mail in ballots were found to be much more secure than machines.

In addition, the biggest threat to voting is outside our borders, but we seem to ignore that area,where we have proof of interference and tampering.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Given that there has NEVER been proof of any widespread fraud in mail-in voting...your attempted distraction is simply a logical fallacy.
However, if I could have but one super power, it would be the ability to change the color of certain folks skin and then check back in with them later...to see if they still think the same. [/SIZE]

Mail in voting is legal in FL. It just requires an application.No reason needed. Not sure why you believe people of color are not as capable as others and as such warrants the need for mass mailing of ballots. But hey, if virtue signaling gives you a sense of purpose in life, I'll leave it be.

As far as elections go, the standard should not be an wait until an election is stolen and can be proven beyond any doubt. Since every vote should be considered sacrosanct, the goal should be not one will be negated by corruption or fraud.

And considering that voter rolls across this country are bloated with the dead, illegals, wrong addresses and folks that have moved on, it should require no explanation that mass mail balloting would significantly increase the chances of illegal voting. Especially if you have paid agents to harvest as many ballots as they can.

The evidence of mail in voter fraud is all over the internet. Making it mandatory for everyone is about as stupid as stupid gets. Unless of course you are looking to throw an election.

“absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” 2005 Commission on Federal Election Reform , co chaired by Jimmy Carter

Debbie Wasserman Schulz Says Mail In Ballots Are Dangerous Former DNC Chair Says Mail In Ballots Are Dangerous - YouTube

Mismanaged voter rolls leave counties open for voter fraud Mismanaged voter rolls leave counties open for voter fraud, advocacy group finds - South Florida Sun Sentinel - South Florida Sun-Sentinel

" In 2016, more mail ballots were misdirected to wrong addresses or unaccounted for than the number of votes separating Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. She led by 2.9 million votes, yet 6.5 million ballots were misdirected or unaccounted for by the states."

The Wisconsin Election Commission’s report on the Spring Election found that the morning after Election Day, a United States Postal Service official reported that workers “had located ‘three tubs’ of absentee ballots
https://elections.wi.gov/sites/elect...g%20Report.pdf

Officials Plead Guilty in New York Voter Fraud Case Officials Plead Guilty in New York Voter Fraud Case | Fox News

And this just the tip of the iceberg. If there is to be unrestricted mail in voting then it should be requested each election and without any influence from shady ballot harvesters.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by ithos

Mail in voting is legal in FL. It just requires an application.No reason needed. Not sure why you believe people of color are not as capable as others and as such warrants the need for mass mailing of ballots. But hey, if virtue signaling gives you a sense of purpose in life, I'll leave it be.

As far as elections go, the standard should not be an wait until an election is stolen and can be proven beyond any doubt. Since every vote should be considered sacrosanct, the goal should be not one will be negated by corruption or fraud.

And considering that voter rolls across this country are bloated with the dead, illegals, wrong addresses and folks that have moved on, it should require no explanation that mass mail balloting would significantly increase the chances of illegal voting. Especially if you have paid agents to harvest as many ballots as they can.

The evidence of mail in voter fraud is all over the internet. Making it mandatory for everyone is about as stupid as stupid gets. Unless of course you are looking to throw an election.

“absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” 2005 Commission on Federal Election Reform , co chaired by Jimmy Carter

Debbie Wasserman Schulz Says Mail In Ballots Are Dangerous Former DNC Chair Says Mail In Ballots Are Dangerous - YouTube

Mismanaged voter rolls leave counties open for voter fraud Mismanaged voter rolls leave counties open for voter fraud, advocacy group finds - South Florida Sun Sentinel - South Florida Sun-Sentinel

" In 2016, more mail ballots were misdirected to wrong addresses or unaccounted for than the number of votes separating Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. She led by 2.9 million votes, yet 6.5 million ballots were misdirected or unaccounted for by the states."

The Wisconsin Election Commission’s report on the Spring Election found that the morning after Election Day, a United States Postal Service official reported that workers “had located ‘three tubs’ of absentee ballots
https://elections.wi.gov/sites/elect...g%20Report.pdf

Officials Plead Guilty in New York Voter Fraud Case Officials Plead Guilty in New York Voter Fraud Case | Fox News

And this just the tip of the iceberg. If there is to be unrestricted mail in voting then it should be requested each election and without any influence from shady ballot harvesters.

The highlighted portion in your post above (if it's "all over" the internet, it must be true) made me laugh out loud...so thanx for that.

Since Post #5 pretty much says it the way I see it, I'll post it...so it saves me a lot of work.

Originally Posted by GoPacers

Let's be clear, mail-in voting is not the problem. There is nothing wrong with the concept. Never has been and never will be. The issue is verifying/validating that any given voter is authorized to vote and is who they say they are. If Congress (and the states) would take that issue seriously then we would not be talking about mail-in voting at all.

Talking about voter fraud: what system have we ever had that hasn't been decried for the potential for voter fraud? I'll admit there are elections that have been impacted due to voter fraud over the years but those are very few. In many, but not all, of those cases the votes were coerced yet legally cast.

In this whole debate we've lost sight of the facts which seems to be all too prevalent lately. When we don't have facts to support our position we make stuff up that can't be easily proven/disproven. When we have data but that data doesn't support our position we obfuscate the issue such that data becomes irrelevant and we appeal to emotions to supersede logic.

Those that have the legal right to vote should be allowed to vote by any means available. We should not be making it hard for anyone to vote as a means to influence elections. What we should be focusing on is using the vast array of technology available to us to ensure those who vote are entitled to vote and that their vote is in fact theirs. The reason we are not doing this is it removes an excuse for the losing side to obfuscate the facts and create uncertainty. This has not changed since the earliest days of elections in this great country. Bad actors have been trying to influence the will of the people through nefarious means since day one.

The simple fact that we are debating mail-in voting says the politicians have succeeded in planting seeds of doubt in the process without ever producing one single piece of data to prove that mail-in voting is the issue.

[mtdjed]

A lot of discussion here not related to Mass Mailing of Ballots which was my original intent. Absentee voting OK fine but please don't send unsolicited to all registered voters. Have a plan to get to currently registered voters.

Responses stating that there has never been any illicit voting through mail in votes are not true. Suggesting that bringing up the topic is supporting an attempt to limit voter participation is wrong. I just want my legitimate vote to count without having it negated by a ballot that was sent a dead person that got intercepted by someone at that address and used illegally. Nothing to do with voter suppression. If your voter mass mailing does not address that issue , it is not protecting legitimate votes.

But , from the responses I have seen, many don't seem to be concerned. They seem to think that is suggesting that voting polling places should be limited to 2 or 3 per hundreds of thousands of people. (not substantiated)

[ColdNoMore]

The notices mailed out, simply told people that they had the right to vote by mail...it wasn't a ballot.

Just like the Founding Fathers, I'm much more worried of foreign powers...interfering and screwing with our elections.

Since nothing official has been mentioned on fighting that in a long time...I can't help but wonder what steps are being taken to stop it?