[tonycirocco@me.com]

"People I know",....right.

[Marvic 1]

Originally Posted by GoPacers

Nice try but WRONG. All this proves is if you mail something (anything) to an address that is not valid for the intended recipient it won't be delivered.

That's BS, I still get mail intended for the person that use to live in this house before me...
Hummmm, I might get their ballots....

Originally Posted by GoPacers

As stated, these were not legitmate ballots that were cast and not counted so no voter fraud of any kind was involved and not a single voter was disenfranchised.

So the persons those ballots were intended for lost their votes or had to show up in person..
This that anyway to run an election!

Originally Posted by GoPacers

All these are nothing more than wasted taxpayer dollars - reinforcing the statement that our elected officials have no interest in solving problems. They are only interested in keeping their jobs by any/all means necessary.

I agree, waste for printing and distributing ballots and the cost of stamps.
Just imagine these older thousands upon thousands of volunteers comparing and matching millions upon millions of signatures....

Originally Posted by GoPacers

Dig deeper than a headline to learn something.

Try a little harder and use some common sense, it's all you need to figure this out on your own.....

[RMarkland]

Originally Posted by hoskinsonrl@gmail.com

The post office does not/will not mail ballots to everyone. They will mail to registered voters only! If you are not registered to vote you will not receive a ballot. In Florida you have to request a ballot be sent to you

Please don't get voting by mail (mass mailing to all registered voters) confused with absentee ballots. Absentee ballots are requested by the voter, and are verified both prior and after. Mass mailing has no protections, plus can you imagine the time spent checking to make sure that some people are not voting twice? If $3.5 billion will solve this issue with the USPS and assuming that they have 50 million to deliver the cost will be about $70 each to deliver. Maybe we should consider Uber?

[jebartle]

I'm not sure its possible to comment on this thread and still be in good graces with TOTV moderator, soooooo, I'll hope that in a few months, my hopes and prayers will be answered. So much misinformation, please folks, factcheck, Google, don't spread lies. Remember that bar of soap your parents threatened those that told lies.

[rstebbins]

well in some states i hear they are giving illegals a drivers license. Then guess what is the requirement to register to vote a drivers license. Why can all states adopt the florida system. you prove you are a citizen to register to vote. they give you like 10 days to cast your ballot- weekend, evening etc. Do there is no excuse not to be able to get to a poll unless you are out of town. They had wonderful precautions in place at the voting location. very save

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by davem4616

At the heart of the matter is the fact that the individual state voter registration reference files are not being maintained in real time...they are not current. People move, people die, people change their names and the voter registration reference files are not updated/purged in real time.

When we moved to FL and registered to vote here we never notified the state that we left asking them to remove us from their voter registration file. You just trust that the new state will inform the previous state. Well, as Dr. Phil asks: "How's that going for you?"....how high up is that on the priority list given the budget crunch every state is currently dealing with?

Certainly seems like the death certificates aren't being entered into many of the state reference files. Years after my father passed we received a new blue 'handicap' tag you hang on the rearview mirror in the mail for him. If the death certificate didn't purge the state's reference files, certainly you'd have thought that the final income tax filed for a deceased person would have done it. Nope...sounds like every program uses it's own reference file and they're not synchronized across departments.

Remember Florida couldn't convert to the EZ Pass for years because their software was different and they didn't have sufficient funds to make the s/w changes needed. So we had onw device for the FL Turnpike and another for every other state going up the Atlantic seaboard that collected tolls. I still carry both...just to be sure.

I mention that because there's every reason to believe that every state may have a 'home grown' unique voter registration reference file system that isn't capable of talking to another state's system...maybe they're 'mapping' the voter registration change information sent to them from another state, but maybe they're still keying it in somewhere down in the basement too....lol

I oversaw a group that was tasked with managing the timeliness and accuracy of the finance and procurement system's reference files used on a worldwide basis for a Fortune 100 Hi Tech company....took them awhile to get the files under control....but it took years to get everyone around the globe to change their 'unique' programs to be able to use the right worldwide files at the right time....we threw tons of $$$$ at it and I'd put money down that some folks are still 'mapping').

Anyone that thinks the states could clean up their voter registration files in time to accurately generate and send out ballots to only legitimate voters for the upcoming elections never worked in the belly of this beast.

Now, absentee ballots are a different animal...the states should be able to individually verify that the information in the data base is aligned with the information on the request.

Combine the likelihood of outdated/inaccurate reference files with the question of whether the USPS could actually handle this volume on a timely basis and you have a perfect storm on the horizon

That was a GREAT post. Kudos squared.

[Andyb]

The outside of the mass mailing ballots has identification that you are either a Democrat or Republican. Would anyone want to take a chance on that? With all the hands touching these ballots, what the chances yours is going to be thrown out? Marked with a D or an R after the number listed on the outside of the mailing.

[Jayvee]

Who’s going to check signatures to make sure they match?

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by Bill1701

Yes, and possibly wait in line for hours to do so because there will not be enough workers to man the voting places. I have used mail-in voting for years and there was never a problem. Some states use only mail-in voting.

What States do only mail-in voting?

[sunny56]

Originally Posted by goldseekur

I know for fact that if the signatures don't match on the mail in ballot, the ballot is kicked out! Signature is checked same as if you go vote personally.

I don't know about you, but my signature has changed over time and I was able to vote for years on the same old signature. I doubt they were checking them as it should have been flagged many times.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Holpat39

Mistakes are made. For instance I get mail in ballots for myself and husband, then we go and vote at a polling place and then my dog gets a mail in ballot so I fill that out also, then my husband and myself request absentee ballots, get them and vote again. Are there enough people to cross check each person's name to make sure they only receive one ballot to vote. This is hypothetical only.

You can't get an absentee ballot on election day. Absentee ballots are available only until 10 days before election day. After that, you can't get them at all.

So your hypothetical is irrelevant.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by goldseekur

I know for fact that if the signatures don't match on the mail in ballot, the ballot is kicked out! Signature is checked same as if you go vote personally.

How could you know that ?? Each and every voting precinct in the US has their own system. As stated before, many of the election personnel are volunteers and have their own standards

When I lived in Massachusetts, they did not even check my ID and certainly not my signature. I was asked to give my address and name. They then checked the voting role which was listed by address. They would go to the stated address and would cross off my name, and hand me a ballot.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You can't get an absentee ballot on election day. Absentee ballots are available only until 10 days before election day. After that, you can't get them at all.

So your hypothetical is irrelevant.

Not so. In Florida you can get an absentee ballot the day before the day before the General Election in person. At least that could be mailed by Nov 3

Absentee voter deadlines
Application by mail - Oct 24
Application in person - Nov 2
Submission by mail - Nov 3
Submission in person - Nov 3


In Connecticut, you can request the Application by mail on Nov 2 and you must mail it by Nov 3. Now that would work well.

Absentee voter deadlines
Application by mail - Nov 2
Application in person - Nov 2
Submission by mail - Nov 3
Submission in person - Nov 3

It varies by state. So to that effect, the whole crisis concerning the US Post Office is again a red herring. The states don't even have requirements that make sense.

[bpascani]

Not only that, but, now you can vote IN PERSON, at polling places, before 3Nov. Requesting absentee ballot, early voting, or, on day voting, is plenty of options...AND, as a poll watcher, there are still cheaters...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Not so. In Florida you can get an absentee ballot the day before the day before the General Election in person. At least that could be mailed by Nov 3

Absentee voter deadlines
Application by mail - Oct 24
Application in person - Nov 2
Submission by mail - Nov 3
Submission in person - Nov 3


In Connecticut, you can request the Application by mail on Nov 2 and you must mail it by Nov 3. Now that would work well.

Absentee voter deadlines
Application by mail - Nov 2
Application in person - Nov 2
Submission by mail - Nov 3
Submission in person - Nov 3

It varies by state. So to that effect, the whole crisis concerning the US Post Office is again a red herring. The states don't even have requirements that make sense.

From the Florida Department of State website:

What is the Deadline to Request that a Vote-by-Mail Ballot be Mailed
The deadline to request that a vote-by-mail ballot be mailed is no later than 5 p.m. on the 10th day before the election. A Supervisor of Elections must mail the ballot out within 2 business days after a request and the last day for a Supervisor to be able to mail out a ballot is 8 days before the election.

Vote-by-Mail - Division of Elections - Florida Department of State

No idea where you got your information but that's from the state government website, as linked above.

The Connecticut absentee ballot application must be RECEIVED by November 2. And, if you wait that long, you might not get your ballot in time and you'd have to either vote in person or forfeit your vote. Ballot requests are available October 2, so you have plenty of time to submit the request. If you need an emergency ballot up to 6 days before the election there's a whole separate form for it.

FAQ - Absentee Balloting
Absentee Voting