[Velvet]

Originally Posted by canyonblue

We've had 545,040 positive cases of Covid-19 in Florida, I wonder how many religiously wore a mask? That would be a great follow up I would love to see. And with 8,765 deaths in Florida, the 55+ group account for 93% of them. If you can't understand why those under 55 don't feel at risk then you're delusional. The death rate for those in the age group 25-34 is 0.0005. And that's just from the REPORTED positives. You're right, they're more likely to die from an old person in a car crash. If I was in that age group I'd say I'll wear a mask when you start road testing every person over 65 every year. Among females, the over-65 age group had the highest number of fatalities followed by the 16-to-20 age group. Among males, the age groups 16 to 20, 21 to 25, and over 65 had more crash fatalities than other age. We already have limitations in place for the younger age groups, why not those over 65? It's about keeping others safe right? If I was in the younger age demographic I would say "I'll start worrying about keeping them safe when they start worrying about keeping me safe".

So, do I understand this correctly? Because women over 65 are dangerous drivers, it’s okay to kill older people with Covid?

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Velvet

So, do I understand this correctly? Because women over 65 are dangerous drivers, it’s okay to kill older people with Covid?

Only if they wear a mask!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

So, lets get this into perspective. Before this pandemic, if someone wore a mask into a business, especially a law enforcement agency, what would have happened???? Yes, I am sure you know the answer. Now, add to that AntiFa that hates and kills law enforcement and are a constant threat. How do you tell if they are coming into the police station to request assistance or coming in to kill COPs? You can't. Why do you feel that an officer should not take the same precautions as you do to survive during this time? You want to defund the police, AND have them do the same job, only with their hands tied behind their backs.
SHAME ON YOU ALL!

Just a little story about how dangerous their job is. This is a true story about a guy that I fought with in Vietnam. He was one of the only 9 or so guys on a hill that did not get wounded or killed in one particularly bad fire fight over there. He returned home later ('70s) and went into law enforcement. NYC police to be more precise. His partner and he was patrolling the streets on foot patrol when three men walked past them. It does not matter that they were black, but I am throwing it in for detail. After they walked past them, they turned around and pulled guns and emptied them into the two police officers, killing them. The guy that I served with, made it all the way home safely, only to be gunned down with nine bullets in the back by his own fellow Americans. You may have seen the movie they made related to it back in the 70's.

The Police have a very hard job and they are underpaid. Just because you all are scared and hide under your beds because of the boogieman called COVID19 does not mean there are other dangers in this world. If you can't take your mask off to enter a police station and stand six feet away from the person you are speaking with, then you probably don't need to be there.

It makes one wonder how folks can leave their homes, considering all the dangers in the world.

I applaud the leadership of this man that wishes to protect his men and women in uniform. The chances of anyone catching and then the chances of dying from it is so low, especially for those that are supposed to be healthy and protecting us. I do not see why you can't take care of most of what you need from an officer on the phone anyway.

It's not just about you. We have folks out there putting their lives on the line every day, and catching a virus is the least of their problems when they have folks micro managing them at their every turn, and others that want only to kill them.

Truely sorry to hear the sad story about your friend. I hate to make this comment - but, do NOT police and firefighters earn extra pay for danger pay? And they normally and deservedly earn GOOD retirements, some after 20 years? So when they CHOSE to become these public servants, they are certainly aware that they are CHOSING that particular balance of risks and rewards. What am I missing? And many of the Vietnam era fighters were drafted. So they did NOT get to CHOSE. Their deaths are VASTLY sadder in my opinion. I especially RESPECT any that volunteered to go over there!

[dwhite5773]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

Makes perfect sense for their safetey. Don't like it? Don't go there.

So unfortunately it’s not just to the HQ or substations, it’s also officers responding to calls. This is a sad political move on this sheriffs part. It will come back to haunt him, seeing that Marion County is recording some very high numbers for Florida. Officer safety appears to not bea priority to this leader! Unfortunate!! And usually if your going to the HQ or sub there IS A REASON! Really!

[ctmurray]

Originally Posted by jedalton

Masks Are Neither Effective Nor Safe: A Summary Of The Science

Here is a meta study from a reputable scientific journal.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...9/fulltext#%20

[Finchs]

It sure would be nice if reporters covered stories by telling you WHY, not just WHAT! This ************* report didn't bother to give the sheriff's rationale, they just print the seeming absurdity and leave us all guessing.
I did see way down into the bottom of the report that the sheriff felt the officer's vocal communications could be misunderstood due to the mask covering their mouths--and that could be a lethal problem, if a subject didn't comply with a command.
And with the threat facing our men in blue right now, giving a potential terrorist the advantage of anonymity when walking into the station could possibly be a danger to the personnel in the building.
All this leaves us in the partial dark as to what is going on there--too bad journalists can't do a better job of reporting.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by ctmurray

Here is a meta study from a reputable scientific journal.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...9/fulltext#%20

What are you doing posting from a respected and peer-reviewed journal to counter a source intent on manipulation of facts by cherry picking data for their conclusions?

[Heyitsrick]

Originally Posted by Velvet

What are you doing posting from a respected and peer-reviewed journal to counter a source intent on manipulation of facts by cherry picking data for their conclusions?

You mean this peer-reviewed/respected journal?

The Lancet casts doubt over hydroxychloroquine study it published

Sorry - couldn't resist. Nobody's perfect.

[Velvet]

Only God is perfect, but this journal is the internationally respected, quoted academic source.

[canyonblue]

Originally Posted by Velvet

So, do I understand this correctly? Because women over 65 are dangerous drivers, it’s okay to kill older people with Covid?

No, the point is that all I hear is that we should wear a mask, not for ourselves, but to protect those around us. Someone earlier made a comment about getting hit by a wrong way driver in a roundabout and my post expanded on that, to show that a younger person who may not wear a mask due to their slim chance of dying from Covid may in fact die from an elderly driver. And the fact that many of those complaining about a young non mask wearer possibly killing them shows the irony.

[ts12755]

Sheriff Woods is a good man of integrity and knows what he's doing. You stay home and isolate if you live in fear. We are going to live our lives.

[ts12755]

you should isolate at home unless it's an emergency that you have to get out and then you should wear a mask. Covid is a passing virus that will be gone soon. The faster everybody gets it the quicker it will be gone

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by ts12755

Sheriff Woods is a good man of integrity and knows what he's doing. You stay home and isolate if you live in fear. We are going to live our lives.

Well, please don't live it around me. I feel I have more of a right to be protected than you do not to.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ts12755

you should isolate at home unless it's an emergency that you have to get out and then you should wear a mask. Covid is a passing virus that will be gone soon. The faster everybody gets it the quicker it will be gone

It is a contradiction to be both for mask wearing and herd immunity. Strange?

[speedo8357]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

Wow, glad to hear that the sheriff has some common sense and doesn’t want to have all his employees looking like paranoid idiots. He realizes that none of these makeshift masks can stop a virus. Good for him. I don’t live in that county but I think I’ll call there and congratulate him for having some common sense!

And also a brave voice of reason. A particle of an influenza type illness (of which Covid is) is many times smaller than the weave of a non-medical grade mask. The virus will be transmitted whether or not a mask is worn. Thankfully the majority of cases have little or no symptoms.