[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

The answer to your question is yes, a good guy with a handgun can stop a killer with an AR. From what I can tell the buildings on that parade route were 3 and 4 story buildings, meaning less than 50 feet tall. Myself and anyone else with proper training could take that shot.

Once in a while a hero is in the right spot to stop one of these wanna-be mass murderers.

Amid deadly U.S. mass shootings in 2019, heroes emerged | Reuters

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Once in a while a hero is in the right spot to stop one of these wanna-be mass murderers.

Amid deadly U.S. mass shootings in 2019, heroes emerged | Reuters

best case scenario you put one in the 10 ring, worst case somebody see you with a gun out and thinking you are the shooter they shoot you

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Why do some people feel threaten because someone disagrees with them?

Why do you feel threatened when someone disagrees with you?


I saw nothing denigrating in the post you were replying too.

Really, wow!

[Woodbear]

If we want new laws I would add these two.

1. Upon conviction...... use of a gun during a crime brings a lifetime jail sentence with no ability to plea bargain.
2. Upon conviction..... use of a gun that causes a death results in immediate execution of the perp.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Woodbear

If we want new laws I would add these two.

1. Upon conviction...... use of a gun during a crime brings a lifetime jail sentence with no ability to plea bargain.
2. Upon conviction..... use of a gun that causes a death results in immediate execution of the perp.

Its almost out of living memory , but at one time there were stickup crews who would do their crimes with unloaded guns, the reason being if one of the crew screwed up and killed someone everyone involved would have a date with "sparkey". a time when "personnel responsibility" was more than a vague term, when if you seriously believed something like a zombie apocalypse was possible ( currently aver 10% of the population) missing air liner abducted by aliens' (7%) that you could change your gender, you could very likely find yourself living in an intuition with locks on the outside of the doors, a time when you could buy semi auto weapons through the mail without questions and mass shooting were just about unheard of.

[Speedie]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I guess it depends on peoples positions.

I believe it is pretty much impossible to even consider removing all guns from the US. DUH. 300 million guns can not be collected and disposed of in any reasonable amount of time, no matter how much I would like that. So, a more pragmatic approach to me, is to come to some kind of bi-partisan gun control legislation.

1. Universal background checks with access to mental health history for all purchases private or commercial. Anyone selling a gun with out receiving a background check is charged as accessory if the gun is used in a crime.

2. Cool down period - 48 to 72 hours? Maybe a week?

3. Domestic violence checks.

4. Some form of definition of what kind of guns can be owned. We obviously need to restrict access to cruise missiles, and BB guns are probably not going to make people happy. Some where in the middle we shovel be able to meet.

5. Conviction of a crime where a gun is used results in automatic lifetime ban from owning or possessing.

6. NATIONAL/universal gun control laws. If we have open carry, fine, EVERYONE has open carry.

There are a few ideas. I have more, but those would be a good start. I have mentioned them before also. Most people don't give e reasons, they just make snarky statements - drive by one liners.

#3. #4. #5. Are ALREADY law. Maybe the adminstration needs to focus on enforcing existing gun laws. Especially #5. How many arrest reports mention a felon in possession of a firearm??

[Speedie]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

You are conflating all murders with mass shootings. Yes, violence will happen, but I feel safe saying zero out of the 300 mass shootings this year have been committed by Bludgeons.

The weapon of choice is AR-15. PERIOD. That is not debatable.

That said, I will agree with you that melting down every AR-15 in the country/world would not stop mass shootings, they would simply switch to another weapon.

I disagree with your comment that people don't want to look at morals and social media et al. I have read numerous reports on those issues. And for the most part they show that those "symptoms" that you list are represent in almost every country in the world. And the other countries do not have 300 mass shootings this year. So, the implication is they are NOT the cause.

I personally think the cause is a feeling of hopelessness by most poor and middle class Americans. I don't think I recall a rich person EVER committing a mass shooting in this country. They are typically by people with mental health issues (one could argue that to shoot 6 strangers for not apparent reason is a form of mental illness), or people that want to strike back at others that have bullied them, or men that feel they lives out of control and a significant number are coming from an abusive relationship where they abused their wives who finally left them and got restraining orders - again, a form of feeling like their life is out of control.

So, my question is why is it that so many feel so hopeless in the richest country in the world?

My answer is predatory capitalism, BIG corporations (not small ones) that control our lives, our government and our economy and leave broken people in their wake. That is what I think it is root cause.

Communist China has the solutions you are looking for. Too bad you can not go there without a permit. They have borders.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Speedie

Communist China has the solutions you are looking for. Too bad you can not go there without a permit. They have borders.

Nice one liner snarky remark, which insults me without even trying.

Can you provide anything that in your opinion explains why you think it is true?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Speedie

#3. #4. #5. Are ALREADY law. Maybe the adminstration needs to focus on enforcing existing gun laws. Especially #5. How many arrest reports mention a felon in possession of a firearm??

And since you feel compelled to make this post political, why is mass shootings have increased under every administration over the past 50 years? On that's right, it doesn't matter.

[Bay Kid]

I bet they don't look at what what legal antidepressants these killers are taking.

[Sarah_W]

The behaviors of mankind can be defined by cause and effect and measured by risk versus reward. We can determine why someone kills another.

Our society currently displays a tremendous reaction to mass shootings, especially when children are killed and injured. Yet, every weekend a dozen are killed in Chicago and it's not news worthy. I never see a thread lamenting the murders that occur in the inner cities.

Risk versus reward

Who knows what goes on in the mind of these mass killers? It seems the notoriety is the goal. Famous and infamous seems to be one and the same in their mind. They are famous for life. I believe if we take away the fame we take away their reward.

How to significantly reduce mass killings?

1. Stop putting their name on television, newspapers, social media, etc. We can cover the news and stop identifying the killer and giving them the fame they seek. End the publicity.

2. If the killer is found guilty in a court of law they receive the death sentence. Shockingly the average cost of executing a prisoner today is $1.25 million. Bring back the firing squad. Brutal killers should face a brutal ending.

[Wyseguy]

I believe that if a law can't be enforced, it needs to a) change to make it enforceable or b) cease to be a law.

I also believe that if abortions can't be stopped, then make sure they are legal and safe.[/QUOTE by Orange Blossom]

So what I hear you saying is that if a group of people, (may be a very small amount, ie antifa)
refuse to follow a law, then change the law. We have been unable to stop theft in our 200+ year history, so make it legal? Despite the war on drugs people still do drugs, well lets make it legal. Does not sound like a thought out plan.

[Wyseguy]

I have a problem, as a law abiding US citizen, being told what I need.
Do you really NEED a car that goes over 70mph? Let's allow only cars that go 70mph and no higher.
Do we really NEED to drink alcohol? Many deaths caused by DUI. Perhaps we should decide that you do not NEED to drink, BUT WAIT! People will still drink. Well if we can not enforce the You do not NEED to drink law, we should keep it legal then (another thought by a prior poster).
Looking at Environmental changes, does Bill gates really NEED a 20,000+ sqft home? Does he need many large homes? We should make it illegal. All anyone really NEEDS is 500 sq ft.
As an adult I will determine what I need.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

The behaviors of mankind can be defined by cause and effect and measured by risk versus reward. We can determine why someone kills another.

Our society currently displays a tremendous reaction to mass shootings, especially when children are killed and injured. Yet, every weekend a dozen are killed in Chicago and it's not news worthy. I never see a thread lamenting the murders that occur in the inner cities.

Risk versus reward

Who knows what goes on in the mind of these mass killers? It seems the notoriety is the goal. Famous and infamous seems to be one and the same in their mind. They are famous for life. I believe if we take away the fame we take away their reward.

How to significantly reduce mass killings?

1. Stop putting their name on television, newspapers, social media, etc. We can cover the news and stop identifying the killer and giving them the fame they seek. End the publicity.

2. If the killer is found guilty in a court of law they receive the death sentence. Shockingly the average cost of executing a prisoner today is $1.25 million. Bring back the firing squad. Brutal killers should face a brutal ending.

The reason you do not hear about the many killings every weekend in our inner cities, is because it does not fit the narrative.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

Our society currently displays a tremendous reaction to mass shootings, especially when children are killed and injured. Yet, every weekend a dozen are killed in Chicago and it's not news worthy. I never see a thread lamenting the murders that occur in the inner cities.

So, you see no difference between murdering innocent children and drive-by shootings, gang warfare and drug selling gone wrong?