[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Luggage

still the best place is your OWN DOCTOR

I don't know about that. Seems my PCP was not sure of the protocol for the Moderna vaccine. I was given an appointment for a third Moderna shot and as it turns out, I am not eligible at this time because I am not immunocompromised. I am over 65 but that is not enough criteria to qualify for the Moderna booster/3rd shot. As I have already posted upthread, I did cancel that appointment when I realized I was NOT eligible at this time.

Just this morning on The Today Show (NBC), during their reporting of who is eligible for the Moderna or J&J booster, there was HUGE text on the screen in red that said "NOT ELIGIBLE YET". So...........long story short......those who have already received a booster shot of Moderna or J&J, should not have received them YET. Confusion has led us to this.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Or, the pharmacists are coaching people to lie...

My golfing buddy went to his local CVS (here in MD) and was told "We're only supposed to give this to immunosuppressed people. All you have to do is attest you're immunosuppressed and you're good to go!"

A family member just had his follow up visit and his doctor told him NOT to get a booster as he had plenty of antibodies. And he is diabetic, over weight and has hyper tension. AGAIN: His doctor told him NOT to get the booster.

[Byte1]

Personally speaking, I have no plan to get the booster until at least my doctor says I should. Why would anyone take a medicine if they do not need it? I will get my antibodies checked way before I decide whether or not to get a booster. Seems like a slip-shod way of approaching something that may or may not happen. Kind of like taking an anti-venom shot before you go into the woods, just in case you get bit.
I have been reading about an Canadian study that has been done regarding side effects of the vaccine. Don't get me wrong, I have my shots and I will probably get a booster IF my doctor thinks it necessary. ONLY if he thinks it is necessary. But back to the Canadian study, they have found a percentage of serious side effects from the vaccine. Once again, I am just interested because it is good to do your due diligence when taking a medicine that is fairly new.
"..Canada’s University of Ottawa Heart Institute revealed that 1 in 1000 recipients of the vaccination suffer from heart inflammation also known as myopericarditis. "
"..15,997 doses of Moderna vaccine, and 16,382 doses of Pfizer vaccine administered over the study period, for a total of 32,379 doses. .. a mixture of first and second doses."
"32 patients were identified over the period of interest. Eighteen patients were diagnosed with myocarditis; 12 with myopericarditis; and 2 with pericarditis alone." (I have no idea what any of those are, but they seem serious to me.)

You may suggest that only 1 in 1000 show these serious side effects, based on the study. I agree, but.... if you are under 65 what are the chances of you even suffering from the virus, let alone dying from it? If you are over 65, then it is probably worth taking the chance, since an infection by the virus is so dangerous. Whether or not this study is valid or just more scare tactics, the point I am making is that I plan to consider my next step seriously and slowly, not jumping on the band wagon of getting a booster that I may not even need. I am going to get a blood test to see how much defense I have to the virus before joining the lemmings that are rushing toward the proverbial cliff.
I am not attempting to tell anyone NOT to get the booster, only to seek professional advise rather than joining a herd in a stampede to get there when you may be just as safe taking your time.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Personally speaking, I have no plan to get the booster until at least my doctor says I should. Why would anyone take a medicine if they do not need it? I will get my antibodies checked way before I decide whether or not to get a booster. Seems like a slip-shod way of approaching something that may or may not happen. Kind of like taking an anti-venom shot before you go into the woods, just in case you get bit.
I have been reading about an Canadian study that has been done regarding side effects of the vaccine. Don't get me wrong, I have my shots and I will probably get a booster IF my doctor thinks it necessary. ONLY if he thinks it is necessary. But back to the Canadian study, they have found a percentage of serious side effects from the vaccine. Once again, I am just interested because it is good to do your due diligence when taking a medicine that is fairly new.
"..Canada’s University of Ottawa Heart Institute revealed that 1 in 1000 recipients of the vaccination suffer from heart inflammation also known as myopericarditis. "
"..15,997 doses of Moderna vaccine, and 16,382 doses of Pfizer vaccine administered over the study period, for a total of 32,379 doses. .. a mixture of first and second doses."
"32 patients were identified over the period of interest. Eighteen patients were diagnosed with myocarditis; 12 with myopericarditis; and 2 with pericarditis alone." (I have no idea what any of those are, but they seem serious to me.)

You may suggest that only 1 in 1000 show these serious side effects, based on the study. I agree, but.... if you are under 65 what are the chances of you even suffering from the virus, let alone dying from it? If you are over 65, then it is probably worth taking the chance, since an infection by the virus is so dangerous. Whether or not this study is valid or just more scare tactics, the point I am making is that I plan to consider my next step seriously and slowly, not jumping on the band wagon of getting a booster that I may not even need. I am going to get a blood test to see how much defense I have to the virus before joining the lemmings that are rushing toward the proverbial cliff.
I am not attempting to tell anyone NOT to get the booster, only to seek professional advise rather than joining a herd in a stampede to get there when you may be just as safe taking your time.

Are there reliable antibody tests? For a long while there weren't. It seems that it's not something routine and that if you ask your doctor to get one they might refuse or say you don't need it. They (the CDC) just want you to keep getting multiple boosters for all eternity, not knowing what it may do to your immune system.

To keep getting a powerful dose of antibodies to a specific spike protein might cause your immune system to eventually attack itself. I've heard scientists and doctors discuss this as a possibility, or the opposite, that it's a form of therapy and eventually your system will not reject the spike protein from the virus much like when you receive allergy shots so your body eventually accepts the allergen as normal. Both are scary scenarios.

And oh, by the way, boosters still do not prevent infection. You can still get and shed Covid-19 and its variants.

[MDLNB]

The answer to the OP about whether or not the Moderna booster has been approved is NO. Biden got his Pfizer booster today and said the other vaccines have not yet been approved.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Adding to the confusion:

Third shot, booster, third dose, et al being used interchangeably.

Approval, authorized, emergency authorization all used interchangeably.

Many make an assumption that if one has received their third dose, they are cheating/lying.

Many make an assumption if the provider gave the third dose they were not following the rules.

Right or wrong individual opinions.....like this post!

Not an opinion at all. And I have made no assumptions.

The MODERNA vaccine has not yet been approved for a booster. That is a fact.

If you are getting one, the Pharmacy/Clinic/Dr's office are not following the CDC/FDA guidelines.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Not an opinion at all. And I have made no assumptions.

The MODERNA vaccine has not yet been approved for a booster. That is a fact.

If you are getting one, the Pharmacy/Clinic/Dr's office are not following the CDC/FDA guidelines.

The Moderna first and second doses are not yet "approved"....millions and millions.

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[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The Moderna first and second doses are not yet "approved"....millions and millions.

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"Third Base!"

[tedquick]

This is all that I know: my wife and I are part of the Moderna trials through a local company (we spend about 5 months a year in Omaha, NE.) called Meridian. I received the actual vaccine while my wife received a placebo. I got my second shot last October 9th and as of about three weeks ago still had anti-bodies. When Moderna un-blinded the study my wife got her two shots. She got her last shot in March and still has anti-bodies. We received calls just yesterday asking us if wanted a booster shot this Thursday at 7:00 P.M. Of course, we said "yes" since we have fewer anti-bodies now than we had months ago.

We are doing a scheduled follow-up tomorrow in Meridian's local office. This is a standard follow-up and not part of our booster this coming Thursday. We have been very impressed with the efficacy of Moderna's vaccine and Meridian's professional handling of the research study.

[Calisport]

After 5 hours of chills in bed I will not take any more Moderna shots myself. I don't know why you need it unless you have health problems. Talked to a doctor that had covid for 9 days. He had only a fever and sweats.

[Malsua]

Business Insider posted an article on Moderna.

Moderna Vs Pfizer Charts: Moderna Vaccine May Not Need Boosters As Much

>>Last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data sets from hospitals around the country. That data is starting to indicate that people who got Moderna's vaccine are less likely to be hospitalized than people who got Pfizer's or Johnson & Johnson's.<<

One suggested reason from the article.

>>Moderna's shot consists of 100 micrograms of mRNA vaccine, while Pfizer's has 30 micrograms. That may mean lighter side effects for Pfizer's shot but in the long run, the protection might not be as strong.<<

The other possible reason is dose spacing. Pfizer being 3 weeks, Moderna 4 weeks. The UK used even longer spacing, up to 12 weeks and it seems to matter.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Calisport

After 5 hours of chills in bed I will not take any more Moderna shots myself. I don't know why you need it unless you have health problems. Talked to a doctor that had covid for 9 days. He had only a fever and sweats.

If I were guaranteed of having ONLY fever and sweats ( throw in some chills too) if I contracted Covid, I would not have gotten the vaccine. I would also want a guarantee that I would have no long term effects from Covid.

No guarantee??? THAT is why I got myself vaccinated.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

The VA sent me an email today if I wanted a booster , you can go to Gainesville no appointment needed or go to VA clinic Appointment preferred but will take walk-ins you must be eligible and it’s Pfizer only that’s the only one they have approved

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

If I were guaranteed of having ONLY fever and sweats ( throw in some chills too) if I contracted Covid, I would not have gotten the vaccine. I would also want a guarantee that I would have no long term effects from Covid.

No guarantee??? THAT is why I got myself vaccinated.

If you have the Moderna vaccine, there is NO need to get the booster at this time. The moderna has three plus times the agent that Pfizer has, so it is still working.

I'll have my doctor check me for antibodies in Dec and then decide whether I feel it is worth getting it. After the side effects I had from the second shot, I think I would rather go through the virus. I know at least a dozen people that suffered only mild symptoms and none of them are in as good a shape as me.

[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

If I were guaranteed of having ONLY fever and sweats ( throw in some chills too) if I contracted Covid, I would not have gotten the vaccine. I would also want a guarantee that I would have no long term effects from Covid.

No guarantee??? THAT is why I got myself vaccinated.

Not trying to be argumentative, but what guarantees were you given of no long term effects from the vaccine? BTW….I’m not anti-vax, I’m actually pro-vax but those that worry about LT effects from the virus should also question the possible LT effects from the vaccine.