[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Yeah, my space; I can control the space around me. If you can't, then that's YOUR problem.

I'm around the public for about 10+ hours a day; I've worn a mask everyday since this started a year ago and haven't been infected yet. Maybe it's luck; maybe it's keeping people out of my space.

So far about 8% of the population of Florida have been infected by this virus. So we have less than a one and ten chance of getting it. The fact that you deal with a lot of people on a regular basis increases your chances of contracting it, but the fact that you wear a mask and are careful about social distancing probably balances that off.

I don't think that you are lucky. I think that with a 8% chance of contracting this virus, people who get it are unlucky. And people that protect themselves by following CDC guidelines are lowering their odds of contracting the virus even more.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Simple question, if masks are truly effective against the spread of the virus, then why haven’t states with strict mask mandates fared better than Florida with no mandates?

My guess is that those folks under a mask mandate did not wear their masks properly. Not covering the nose is like not wearing a mask at all. Also....IMHO, those states that mandated masks probably had a high number of people wearing neck gators which are actually worse than not wearing a mask at all. Even with several layers of cloth on a neck gator, droplets are split into aerosols. I saw that a while back on the Today Show segment about different types of masks.

One more reason, IMHO, people in states with mask mandates wore masks with one way valves. Just another way to trick f%$k the system.Those one way valves work the wrong way to reduce transmission of virus in droplets and aerosols. The valve is to allow the wearer to breath easier but that valve allows the expelled breath to disperse in the atmosphere. If that person is Covid positive, that valve lets out all the virus with the exhaled air. Have you noticed there are physician's offices that do not allow masks with valves? That is the reason.

[coffeebean]

Hi folks,
It has been brought to my attention that I made an inaccurate statement in one of my posts on this thread. My post #65 states as follows:

"There is evidence that vaccinated people are not contagious and will not infect others if they do contract the virus. Until all testing is completed and we vaccinated people are told there is no way we can infect others, I will continue to wear my mask and keep my distance from others. I'm protected and I feel as safe now as I did pre-pandemic so my wearing a mask is not out of fear. It is for my respect and empathy for those who are clamoring to be vaccinated."

I would like to correct that first sentence to say, "There is evidence that vaccinated people MAY NOT BE contagious and MAY NOT infect others if they do contract the virus".

Thank you for understanding.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

My guess is that those folks under a mask mandate did not wear their masks properly. Not covering the nose is like not wearing a mask at all. Also....IMHO, those states that mandated masks probably had a high number of people wearing neck gators which are actually worse than not wearing a mask at all. Even with several layers of cloth on a neck gator, droplets are split into aerosols. I saw that a while back on the Today Show segment about different types of masks.

One more reason, IMHO, people in states with mask mandates wore masks with one way valves. Just another way to trick f%$k the system.Those one way valves work the wrong way to reduce transmission of virus in droplets and aerosols. The valve is to allow the wearer to breath easier but that valve allows the expelled breath to disperse in the atmosphere. If that person is Covid positive, that valve lets out all the virus with the exhaled air. Have you noticed there are physician's offices that do not allow masks with valves? That is the reason.

So those states that have had strict mask mandates, that kept gyms & restaurants closed, kept “non-essential” businesses closed and prohibited gatherings, ultimately did no better than Florida with no mandates and minimal interruptions to businesses, because people in mask mandate states didn’t wear their masks properly or wore the wrong masks?!?
Really, that’s the best you can do? Then again I guess as bad as it sounds, it’s still the best option for you. Because otherwise you would have to come to the realization that masks are truly not a very effective way of slowing the spread...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So those states that have had strict mask mandates, that kept gyms & restaurants closed, kept “non-essential” businesses closed and prohibited gatherings, ultimately did no better than Florida with no mandates and minimal interruptions to businesses, because people in mask mandate states didn’t wear their masks properly or wore the wrong masks?!?
Really, that’s the best you can do? Then again I guess as bad as it sounds, it’s still the best option for you. Because otherwise you would have to come to the realization that masks are truly not a very effective way of slowing the spread...

The exact opposite of what you have said. Masks most certainly do work as source control. That is really all those home made and surgical masks are efficient at. As protection for the wearer, there is little protection which is what I have read.

I will never ever believe that masks are useless. I've seen too many YouTube videos which prove to me the science behind containing droplets and aerosols. Yes, those masks do contain aerosols. I've seen the documentation with my own two eyes how effective those home made and surgical masks are.

Doctors in operating rooms have been wearing surgical masks forever. The reason is for source control, not for their protection. Same for every day folks in and about their day to day life, there has been and continues to be a very urgent need to control aerosol and droplet transmission of the virus. There are variants out there that were not tested initially in the trials for these current mRNA vaccines.

As an aside..........The manufacturers of these mRNA vaccines have claimed that their vaccines will not allow the variants to escape, just not at that high rate of efficacy as has been previously found in trials.

PS.....I am not going to post videos any further on this site. I have posted too many to count that demonstrate, beyond a shadow of a doubt that masks are useful as source control when worn properly over the NOSE and mouth. Those infrared cameras do not lie. If you don't believe the proof in the videos, then there is not hope for anyone who believes differently.

LETS AGREE TO DISAGREE. I COULD NEVER COME AROUND TO YOUR WAY OF THINKING.

[ronsroni]

Wow. Culling the herd?
Enjoy the phantom strains.
As for me, mask up for the USA.
Oh.
AND HUMANITY.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by billethkid

eventually the anti mask/non vaccine folks will be the most vulnerable group left!!

I don't think so. The anti-mask, anti vaccine folks will have the strongest natural immune system.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Dr.Fauci suggests that we may not be able to go mask free until sometime in 2022.

Dr. Fauci has zero credibility any more. He is not a god...

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That attitude is why America is #1 in the world in CV. Great!

America is #1 in the world for Covid because of population count only. Take a known metric - Deaths/Million and the US is WAY behind the UK, Belgium, Portugal, Italy, etc...

Oh, and China has virtually NO deaths...

Please, source your comments. This chart is from this morning - I watch it daily...

source: Coronavirus Update (Live): 117,500,802 Cases and 2,606,689 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Dr. Fauci has zero credibility any more. He is not a god...

Agree.....Dr. Fauci is not a God. I still believe he is very credible. You just don't take years of education, hard work and devotion to your work and then lose credibility just because you change your direction. Science is evolving and Dr. Fauci's direction also evolves. Those folks who do not believe in science and the evolution of science are the ones who no longer trust this man.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So those states that have had strict mask mandates, that kept gyms & restaurants closed, kept “non-essential” businesses closed and prohibited gatherings, ultimately did no better than Florida with no mandates and minimal interruptions to businesses, because people in mask mandate states didn’t wear their masks properly or wore the wrong masks?!?
Really, that’s the best you can do? Then again I guess as bad as it sounds, it’s still the best option for you. Because otherwise you would have to come to the realization that masks are truly not a very effective way of slowing the spread...

I have some more information that I would like to pass on regarding why those states with mask mandates may have not done any better than Florida regarding the "numbers". This is second hand information because I am relaying comments from someone on another discussion forum. This forum has folks from all over the country and from abroad also so there is a cross section of folks joining in the conversation. I was quite surprised to hear of this happening in another part of our country.....

The commenter said that in the state he/she lives there is a mask mandate yet only about 50% of people he/she sees actually wear masks. These people he/she mentions are not wearing their masks incorrectly but DO NOT WEAR masks at all.

I can only imagine that the mask mandate is not enforced so people take advantage of that. Sad really, if this is true. I have no reason to believe the person relaying this information was not telling the truth. So, there is one more reason as to why states with strict mandates did not do any better than Florida which never had a mask mandate.

[Byte1]

I have my shots and now when I shop, I wear my mask (since it is posted at the entrance) below my nose. I still stay at least 6 ft away from folks and wash my hands, but I have always done that. If you think you can still get the virus after being vaccinated, then why bother? Just stay home and ensure your own safety. The experts I listen to say that when immune, and you inhale the virus it will die and you are not able to pass it on. If you don't believe that, then listen to your own favorite "expert." I will never discourage anyone from trying to stay safe. Just don't bother telling me that I should wear a mask to make others feel secure. If they need me to make them feel secure, then they need a new momma to run to. Why would you believe a stranger anyway?

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

“Your Space” ������ Good luck with that. If you said that to me I would tell you to just go home if your that paranoid!

There's a mark on the floor at the grocery store. Use it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I have my shots and now when I shop, I wear my mask (since it is posted at the entrance) below my nose.

Just don't bother wearing a mask at all. You have no intention of respecting the REASON for the sign. So flaunt it. Flaunt that disrespect and walk in boldly without a mask at all. Make sure everyone knows that you don't give a flying fart about the REASON for the rules, and therefore the rules don't apply to you.


Wearing a mask just below your nose is an insult to everyone who refuses to wear one at all. They at least have the guts to state plainly that the rules don't apply to them. Wearing the mask below your nose is also an insult to everyone who chooses to wear one correctly - because you are purposefully defying the REASON for the mask.

You seem to be presenting an equal opportunity insulter stance.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by butlerperkins@gmail.com

2021 0305 Friday @ 15:05
It sounds as though you are flaunting your immunity. So be it. Now, do some good: Go volunteer in an assisted living facility, without your mask, of course.

Who are you answering? Please quote the post in your response going forward. Even Admin has asked people to do this.