[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Cases have everything to do with the mortality rate and here is why. In countries where there is less testing, fewer cases are discovered. Because of this, people are dying of Covid and those deaths are not recognized as Covid deaths because the people have never been tested so they are not considered a Covid death.

Here we have people that are dying of underlying conditions that have been exacerbated by Covid. In some countries if someone who has not been tested and found positive dies of a heart attack, it is listed as a heart attack death even though it may have been a Covid related death.

Not everybody that dies in the US have been tested for Covid either. The number of related deaths may well be underestimated in every country.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

We also are counting the death of anyone who has Covid as a Covid death regardless of the cause of death. There have been people with Covid killed in car accidents that are listed as Covid deaths. I doubt that any other country is doing that.

This is absolutely false. It goes directly against the CDC guidelines for certifying Covid deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
This oft-repeated claim has also been debunked here: Are CDC Guidelines for Reporting COVID-19 Deaths Artificially Inflating Numbers?

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Maybe because they do not pay as well sooooooo.....

Oh, are we really doing this again??? Show us where you got the information that Covid deaths are paying anything. The conspiracy theory that just won't go away...

[HoosierPa]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

There are posters on this forum that have given us many many statistics about this coronavirus, enough to make my head explode. Those numbers just go in one ear and out the other with me. But having said that, I never thought the amount of "testing" had anything to do with the actual morality rate of a population.

I found this article from the CDC which makes the calculation of mortality rate more understandable to me. End result is mortality rate is direct correlation of amount of deaths with the amount of the population, NOT the amount of testing of a population.

Principles of Epidemiology | Lesson 3 - Section 3

This simple calculation explains why the United States is NOT "the best" in the world regarding the mortality rate for Covid-19. I always knew "cases" had nothing to do with the mortality rate. It seems imperative to me that our country's mortality rate for this virus be explained in these simple terms to the person who is responsible for all Americans.

Wow. A lot of information here but nothing I saw relating to COVID-19. Maybe it was buried somewhere in all the charts.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by Velvet

What I am trying to say is that it doesn’t matter to me what the Covid death rate is compared to any other death rate. It is in ADDITION to other death rates unless someone can show how for example, lung cancer death rates have plunged since people with lung cancer are now dying of Covid instead.

What are you talking about? It is NOT entirely in addition to other deaths. COVID-19–associated mortality is higher in persons with underlying chronic health conditions such as heart disease and diabetes. A portion of this population with underlying chronic health conditions would have died even without being exposed to COVID-19.

There is a concept called "excess mortality"; that is, the additional deaths over and above the expected deaths. Not all COVID-19 deaths are "over and above" expected mortality. Therefore they do not ALL add to the number of deaths.

www [dot] cdc [dot] gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm

[allus70]

So those with terminal cancer, severe cardiovascular disease etc.etc. are now surviving longer because of the pandemic?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by HoosierPa

Wow. A lot of information here but nothing I saw relating to COVID-19. Maybe it was buried somewhere in all the charts.

The linked information is not specific to Covid-19. I guess I should have titled the thread, "Mortality Rate of Illnesses". The information is how mortality rate is determined for all diseases.

[J1ceasar]

And of course your heart stops when you die so maybe that's really the cause of death? This is all foolish to argue percentages. The fact of the matter is if you get Colvin is one more thing that can cause you to die and that of all the people I get clothing anywhere from 20 to 60 per 1000 have died . Compare that 2 deaths from cancer or heart attacks where there is several million per year in the u.s. dying. And don't forget 50000 people died I'm getting in their car every year

[Russp]

Any body can make the numbers work for their scenario. Ask any real stats people

[graciegirl]

Most of us want the facts. Period.

Some of us want to make up conspiracy theories.

Some of us like to have the title of hall monitor.

I think anyone who doesn't take Covid-19 seriously and is old enough to live here is STUPID.

One of my friends wearing a mask was heckled by someone here and called "sheep".

She was a surgical nurse for thirty years.

Because most people live and survive the virus, that fact, should not minimize the real danger to the elderly who if they contract the disease have a much higher chance of dying of it. Usually choking to death alone with "concrete lungs".

We are still here. Hello. Show me your hands if you want to die.

No thank you.

[letsgossip]

If two people live in the same home and one of them dies of Covid, that's 50% mortality rate, that's the fact, to heck with the rest of the world when it's your family.

[villageuser]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Thanks to covid most all other causes of death are way down. Good news.

That is funny, but not true. Because of the process we have, we could have influenza/pneumonia deaths being attributed to Covid, but we can also have Covid-19 deaths being listed as influenza/pneumonia especially if the person never got a test. Which could be very likely considering how hard it still is for people to get a test. Also, where deaths for influenza and pneumonia have been much higher than the average for past years, especially at the beginning of the pandemic. The CDC did a very in-depth and lengthy report on all this which basically comes down to it is hard to know exactly what deaths are from covid-19, influenza, pneumonia, or something else. You may also be interested in:

Fact check: Confusion about CDC's COVID-19 death count

[SFSkol]

Originally Posted by graciegirl;1813328

...One of my friends wearing a mask was heckled by someone here and called "sheep". ...

I'd rather be a Sheep than a Rack of Lamb.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Not everybody that dies in the US have been tested for Covid either. The number of related deaths may well be underestimated in every country.


This is absolutely false. It goes directly against the CDC guidelines for certifying Covid deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
This oft-repeated claim has also been debunked here: Are CDC Guidelines for Reporting COVID-19 Deaths Artificially Inflating Numbers?

Really? Explain this:
Dr. Ngozi Ezike | How COVID Deaths are Classified - YouTube

[JoelJohnson]

A better indication is outcomes. There are only two outcomes recovered and death. Add them together, you get Total outcomes, divide by number of deaths, you get a very real death rate.

[Fisherman]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

There are posters on this forum that have given us many many statistics about this coronavirus, enough to make my head explode. Those numbers just go in one ear and out the other with me. But having said that, I never thought the amount of "testing" had anything to do with the actual morality rate of a population.

I found this article from the CDC which makes the calculation of mortality rate more understandable to me. End result is mortality rate is direct correlation of amount of deaths with the amount of the population, NOT the amount of testing of a population.

Principles of Epidemiology | Lesson 3 - Section 3

This simple calculation explains why the United States is NOT "the best" in the world regarding the mortality rate for Covid-19. I always knew "cases" had nothing to do with the mortality rate. It seems imperative to me that our country's mortality rate for this virus be explained in these simple terms to the person who is responsible for all Americans.

It amazes me that these forums have just become a place for people to “one up on each other “ like they are the expert and the only one right.
The truth of the matter, which ever way you, our government or other country chooses to calculate death ratios, they will always be inaccurate AND thousands of people have died. And many from COVID. Wouldn’t it be nice if we, as retirees, use this forum with respect for those that died and helpful information to keep each other safe in our community? We are so fortunate to have been sparred from a huge outbreak here. Enjoy each day, manage your own risk anyway you choose, but with regards for those around you and focus on getting us all to a better place.