[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

True, but we don't require people to prove they will be proficient in raising children, no requirement to prove they are competent to vote, no requirement to prove they know to eat healthy foods and to maintain proper health.
Driving tests for a driver's license are a joke. In many areas if you can start the car and drive around the block using turn signals, you are good to go. You don't have to demonstrate how to react in an emergency situation. There are far, far more people driving motor vehicles than carry firearms.

Whataboutism is not a strong argument.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I don't know what your understanding of the stand your ground law is, but it isn't what you think it is. It does not say you can shoot through a closed door at someone. That is why she is being charged.

Unless you are shooting an AR-15 through a closed slider and closed blinds. (Note: every case is different and we don't have all the details of either case but on the face of it, things don't look as absolute as the statement above)

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Boomer

They were off-duty cops. Most certainly law-abiding, and they were not mad at anybody — yet.

Oh So Wrong.................If in Florida, and in most other states........it is against the law to be carrying and under the influence. They were not and are not law-abiding.

Florida law 790.151 prohibits carrying a firearm while under the influence of an alcoholic beverage.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Boomer

They were off-duty cops. Most certainly law-abiding, and they were not mad at anybody — yet. Mr. Boomer did the disarming — in a charming, disarming way…..

Just read, it's a Federal Law that officers can not drink and carry their gun.
Have not found the HR reference, but it sounds like they are criminal dirt-bags, not law-abiding.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Hardlyworking

Idaho, North Dakota and Wyoming are constitutional carry states but limit that right to full time residents.

There are states that allow concealed carry if you you have a permit....and I believe the same applies here. If you are out of state and travel here I believe you will need to show your permit from the state that has a reciprocity agreement with FL. I will keep my CC permit since I do travel outside FL

[Hardlyworking]

Originally Posted by JoMar

There are states that allow concealed carry if you you have a permit....and I believe the same applies here. If you are out of state and travel here I believe you will need to show your permit from the state that has a reciprocity agreement with FL. I will keep my CC permit since I do travel outside FL

All 25 states except the 3 mentioned will allow concealed carry for anyone of age and is legally allowed to have a weapon. Look it up.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

There are requirements to purchase a firearm and there were requirements for the carry permit. While very similar, the requirements were not the same. At the very least, as others have pointed out, there was a requirement to demonstrate proficiency in handling the firearm that no longer exists.

Then I go back to what I wrote earlier: If the carry permit did not add stop anyone then it was not a roadblock and there was no need to do away with it. If the carry permit *did* stop some then those individuals who were not eligible to carry firearms last year are suddenly able to carry today and that's scary.

The reason for eliminating the requirement for a carry permit is that the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right. Do you need a permit to vote which is a constitutional right? Do you need a permit to stand on the corner and express your opinion, that is a constitutional right.
If an individual was not eligible to carry a firearm last year, how are they legally allowed to do so now? In order to legally carry without a permit, you still have to meet the federal and state requirements to own a firearm. The same requirements for obtaining a concealed carry permit.
So what are the reasons a person was not eligible to carry a firearm last year that aren't there now?

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Whataboutism is not a strong argument.

That what all your posts have been.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

True, but we don't require people to prove they will be proficient in raising children, no requirement to prove they are competent to vote, no requirement to prove they know to eat healthy foods and to maintain proper health.
Driving tests for a driver's license are a joke. In many areas if you can start the car and drive around the block using turn signals, you are good to go. You don't have to demonstrate how to react in an emergency situation. There are far, far more people driving motor vehicles than carry firearms.

Not sure why you felt you needed to lecture me with all that. I was just noting the difference in the requirements between having a CCW and the new law since you stated the requirements were both the same.

[Kelevision]

Well, my mother was able to get a gun. But don’t worry, it’s the kind that won’t kill anyone. ( her words) It’s a Glock and she’s never fired a gun in her life. It shouldn’t be that easy and the person shouldn’t believe there are guns that won’t kill.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by mraines

This, combined with Florida's stand your ground law make Florida a dangerous place.

.............for the bad guy/gal/it.

[Remembergoldenrule]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

Very scary new law. Gun permits are no longer required in Florida. There is still a waiting period to purchase a handgun if you don't have a CCW. Got to be a nightmare for Law Enforcement. Every person they stop is a potential shooter.

They already assume this! The difference is when a bad person decides to use a gun then there are fewer good guys to stop them before police get there. Even in countries with no guns there are guns or bad guys resort to using machetes, cars, and chemical sprays. You don’t want protection your choice, but I want a chance to protect myself.

[Remembergoldenrule]

Originally Posted by Hardlyworking

Criminals with guns don’t have permits. Who are you more worried about?

Perfect analysis!

[defrey12]

Originally Posted by mraines

This, combined with Florida's stand your ground law make Florida a dangerous place.

You’re free to leave. Sorry about the pun, but no one’s holding a gun to your head to make you stay.

[defrey12]

Originally Posted by mraines

This, combined with Florida's stand your ground law make Florida a dangerous place.

Personally, I like the fact that I can protect my family and my property…NO questions asked! As long as I’m smart about it…