[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

If they never prevented anyone from obtaining a permit then why were they seen as a problem in the first place?

If they *did* prevent some from obtaining a permit then it's scary that those people may now be carrying a weapon.

At the very minimum (and I think it was a minimum) there should have been training on the laws and responsibilities for carrying a weapon. Seeing some of the incidents around the country these days, ANY awareness training might save an innocent person's life.

1) They did prevent some.

2) those people would carry with or without a permit.

3) many, many states did not require training and those states have/had reciprocity with Florida.

I think you have been living with a false sense of security as to what a permit to carry was.

[Papa_lecki]

But, you need to undergo a Federal background check to legally BUY a gun.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by D&BSmith

Almost half the Country.

Constitutional Carry States
Throughout the United States, each individual state legislature has their own select rule on constitutional carry and whether or not a permit is required to carry a handgun in public.

The states that allow permitless concealed carry for 21 year olds are: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming. Some states make exceptions for those who are 18 years of age and in the military, allowing them to conceal carry without a permit, these states are: Georgia, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. Other states allow permitless concealed carry for 18 year olds, these include: Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota (only for residents of the state however), South Dakota, and Vermont. Only one state allows concealed carry for 19 year olds, Missouri.

Both governors of Florida and Nebraska have recently signed a law that will also allow residents to conceal carry weapons without a permit.

List of states that allow for permitless concealed carry (PC), followed by age:

Alabama – PC 21 years old
Alaska – PC 21 years old
Arizona – PC 21 years old
Arkansas – PC 18 years old
Georgia – PC 21 years old or 18 for military
Idaho – PC 18 years old
Indiana – PC 18 years old
Iowa – PC 21 years old
Kansas – PC 21 years old
Kentucky – PC 21 years old
Maine – PC 21 years old
Mississippi – PC 18 years old
Missouri – PC 19 years old or 18 for military
Montana – PC 18 years old
New Hampshire – PC 18 years old
North Dakota – PC 18 years old for residents only
Ohio – PC 21 years old
Oklahoma – PC 21 years old or 18 for military
South Dakota – PC 18 years old
Tennessee – PC 21 years old or 18 for military
Texas – PC 21 years old
Utah – PC 21 years old
Vermont – PC 18 years old
West Virginia – PC 21 years old
Wyoming – PC 21 years old

Will be interesting to see how the reciprocity agreements in other states are changed or if they will still require a permit if you carry in their state.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

If they never prevented anyone from obtaining a permit then why were they seen as a problem in the first place?

If they *did* prevent some from obtaining a permit then it's scary that those people may now be carrying a weapon.

At the very minimum (and I think it was a minimum) there should have been training on the laws and responsibilities for carrying a weapon. Seeing some of the incidents around the country these days, ANY awareness training might save an innocent person's life.

If an individual couldn't qualify for a carry permit, they can't legally carry under the new law. For "constitutional carry" you have to meet the same requirements for a carry permit.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

A young mother and her son approach a neighbor to apologize for her kids encroaching on the neighbors property and she is shot dead. Shot fired thru a closed door……..defense stand your ground. Yep a criminal in danger………….
I have zero sympathy for the old lady with a gun!

I don't know what your understanding of the stand your ground law is, but it isn't what you think it is. It does not say you can shoot through a closed door at someone. That is why she is being charged.

[Hardlyworking]

Originally Posted by JoMar

Will be interesting to see how the reciprocity agreements in other states are changed or if they will still require a permit if you carry in their state.

Idaho, North Dakota and Wyoming are constitutional carry states but limit that right to full time residents.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

If an individual couldn't qualify for a carry permit, they can't legally carry under the new law. For "constitutional carry" you have to meet the same requirements for a carry permit.

Except there is no longer a requirement to prove that you’re at least a little bit proficient in the safe handling and operation of a firearm.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I don't know what your understanding of the stand your ground law is, but it isn't what you think it is. It does not say you can shoot through a closed door at someone. That is why she is being charged.

That’s her defense…..

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

But, you need to undergo a Federal background check to legally BUY a gun.

That only applies if you purchase the gun from a licensed firearm dealer. If it is a private sale, no background check is required.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

If "you" are drunk and carrying a gun, "you" have not been waiting for this change in law........drunk & carrying are not law abiding citizens.

Oh, but, I beg to differ — from experience — once having had to disarm a couple of friends who had too much to drink at a party at our house……..

They were off-duty cops. Most certainly law-abiding, and they were not mad at anybody — yet. Mr. Boomer did the disarming — in a charming, disarming way…..

No problem getting their guns — although they were a bit miffed when they sobered up, said they would never have used them — probably right, but not worth taking the chance.

Next morning, we gave them breakfast (no-hair-of-the dog though) — and gave them back their guns and their car keys. (Mr. Boomer had taken those, too.)

It was one helluva party. (a very long time ago) But, at least, we were responsible hosts, even in our much younger days, sort of.

Boomer

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Except there is no longer a requirement to prove that you’re at least a little bit proficient in the safe handling and operation of a firearm.

True, but we don't require people to prove they will be proficient in raising children, no requirement to prove they are competent to vote, no requirement to prove they know to eat healthy foods and to maintain proper health.
Driving tests for a driver's license are a joke. In many areas if you can start the car and drive around the block using turn signals, you are good to go. You don't have to demonstrate how to react in an emergency situation. There are far, far more people driving motor vehicles than carry firearms.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

That’s her defense…..

So? She could claim the Devil made her do it. That doesn't change the fact that the stand your ground law says her action was illegal.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

1) They did prevent some.

2) those people would carry with or without a permit.

3) many, many states did not require training and those states have/had reciprocity with Florida.

I think you have been living with a false sense of security as to what a permit to carry was.

No, no sense of security. More of a sense that every little bit helps and this new law removes a little bit.

Not sure I agree with your #2. If those people went to the class to obtain the permit then they had not immediately disregarded the law. Now, perhaps when the permit was denied they chose to disregard the law but then again, perhaps not.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Oh, but, I beg to differ — from experience — once having had to disarm a couple of friends who had too much to drink at a party at our house……..

They were off-duty cops. Most certainly law-abiding, and they were not mad at anybody — yet. Mr. Boomer did the disarming — in a charming, disarming way…..

No problem getting their guns — although they were a bit miffed when they sobered up, said they would never have used them — probably right, but not worth taking the chance.

Next morning, we gave them breakfast (no-hair-of-the dog though) — and gave them back their guns and their car keys. (Mr. Boomer had taken those, too.)

It was one helluva party. (a very long time ago) But, at least, we were responsible hosts, even in our much younger days, sort of.

Boomer

I don't see the relevance of this story.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

If an individual couldn't qualify for a carry permit, they can't legally carry under the new law. For "constitutional carry" you have to meet the same requirements for a carry permit.

There are requirements to purchase a firearm and there were requirements for the carry permit. While very similar, the requirements were not the same. At the very least, as others have pointed out, there was a requirement to demonstrate proficiency in handling the firearm that no longer exists.

Then I go back to what I wrote earlier: If the carry permit did not add stop anyone then it was not a roadblock and there was no need to do away with it. If the carry permit *did* stop some then those individuals who were not eligible to carry firearms last year are suddenly able to carry today and that's scary.