[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Sadly, you are both preaching to the choir, and shouting a brick wall. On this forum, there is no nuance. You either hate and fear anything that's different and will declare that it is evil, against god's will, against humanity, against your personal sensibilities, so sayeth Newsmax..

Or you will already agree that people need to chill out and stop being afraid of and hate other people just because they look different, dress different, and prefer you call him a "he" even if he has a uterus.

So, you are demanding that folks fantasize and pretend along with those that apparently you think are "different?" Humor, not respect...is that it? Tell me, if one goes along with the idea that pretending is a normal behavior, does that make us less bigoted or homophobic? If a person identifies as a dog, are we supposed to converse with "it" by barking and allow "it" to roam the streets nude? Pretending does not make a person a male if female or a female if a male. Even having surgery does not do anything except enhance the perception of pretense. I thought that folks believed in science. I guess mental illness is also a subject of science. Is pretending healthy?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Byte1

So, you are demanding that folks fantasize and pretend along with those that apparently you think are "different?" Humor, not respect...is that it? Tell me, if one goes along with the idea that pretending is a normal behavior, does that make us less bigoted or homophobic? If a person identifies as a dog, are we supposed to converse with "it" by barking and allow "it" to roam the streets nude? Pretending does not make a person a male if female or a female if a male. Even having surgery does not do anything except enhance the perception of pretense. I thought that folks believed in science. I guess mental illness is also a subject of science. Is pretending healthy?

And if a nasty, crusty, hatemongering piece of filth pretends to be a member of humanity, we're supposed to just go along with it?

Your turn.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And if a nasty, crusty, hatemongering piece of filth pretends to be a member of humanity, we're supposed to just go along with it?

Your turn.

That's exactly what I have been saying. Glad you agree with me.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Byte1

That's exactly what I have been saying. Glad you agree with me.

I don't understand how a genetically male can change to a female through a subjective feeling rather than be a male with issues. I haven't had much of a response explaining the mechanism, perhaps my posts demonstrates by projection a deep fear and anxiety on my part ?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Sadly, you are both preaching to the choir, and shouting a brick wall. On this forum, there is no nuance. You either hate and fear anything that's different and will declare that it is evil, against god's will, against humanity, against your personal sensibilities, so sayeth Newsmax..

Or you will already agree that people need to chill out and stop being afraid of and hate other people just because they look different, dress different, and prefer you call him a "he" even if he has a uterus.

So much nuance in you're post...

Either you agree with you or you're a "hater"...

Do we now have to start drinking when people say "Newsmax"?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And if a nasty, crusty, hatemongering piece of filth pretends to be a member of humanity, we're supposed to just go along with it?

Your turn.

So much nuance...

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

I don't understand how a genetically male can change to a female through a subjective feeling rather than be a male with issues. I haven't had much of a response explaining the mechanism, perhaps my posts demonstrates by projection a deep fear and anxiety on my part ?

.........or theirs...perhaps?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

So much nuance...

Did you mean "nuisance?"

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

I don't understand how a genetically male can change to a female through a subjective feeling rather than be a male with issues. I haven't had much of a response explaining the mechanism, perhaps my posts demonstrates by projection a deep fear and anxiety on my part ?

Read about fetal brain development and differences between male and female brains. If a brain develops one way while the body develops another there is a conflict - the way you look and the way you are treated doesn't match the way you feel. You can't change the structure of your brain but you can change your outward appearance.

Since brains start with female characteristics and develop into male brains, the most common conflict is when this doesn't happen. The brain has a more female structure while the body develops as male. Someone who changes their outward structure to better align the two is known as a trans-woman.

This has nothing to do with sexual desires. This not a sin. This is not deviant behavior. This is not something that can be "cured" through deprogramming. This is not a choice any more than left-handedness is a choice.

Things might be better for these people if our social norms were changed. If we stopped demanding that those with male characteristics behave one way and those with female characteristics behave a different way. If society was more accepting of those who were different then there wouldn't be as much pressure to look the part you feel you need to play. Unfortunately, acceptance of those who are different hasn't caught on yet.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Read about fetal brain development and differences between male and female brains. If a brain develops one way while the body develops another there is a conflict - the way you look and the way you are treated doesn't match the way you feel. You can't change the structure of your brain but you can change your outward appearance.

We are all aware.
Such a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of humans have this bad wiring.
This is not what is happening in America.
This is not what this thread is about.
This is not what the gay Bud-Lite guy is all about.


Nice try.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Read about fetal brain development and differences between male and female brains. If a brain develops one way while the body develops another there is a conflict - the way you look and the way you are treated doesn't match the way you feel. You can't change the structure of your brain but you can change your outward appearance.

Since brains start with female characteristics and develop into male brains, the most common conflict is when this doesn't happen. The brain has a more female structure while the body develops as male. Someone who changes their outward structure to better align the two is known as a trans-woman.

This has nothing to do with sexual desires. This not a sin. This is not deviant behavior. This is not something that can be "cured" through deprogramming. This is not a choice any more than left-handedness is a choice.

Things might be better for these people if our social norms were changed. If we stopped demanding that those with male characteristics behave one way and those with female characteristics behave a different way. If society was more accepting of those who were different then there wouldn't be as much pressure to look the part you feel you need to play. Unfortunately, acceptance of those who are different hasn't caught on yet.

Almost an example of an oxymoron. Accepting OR forcing acceptance? Tolerance is more likely before condoning. The problem is that "they" want to be accepted as normal when the fact is that they do not fit the normal category. Suffice it to say that most good folks tolerate and have removed laws prohibiting the perverted nature of some of those alphabet representatives. They may not condone and shouldn't be forced into condoning against their will. Tolerance should be enough. You generalize when you suggest "accepting of those that are different" when that could encompass many other examples of deviant behavior. Should pedophiles be accepted because they are different? After all, they were accepted in Greece. Bestiality accepted because they have different inclinations? Where is the line between normal and abnormal or what we accept or not? Like I have said many times, keep your inclinations in private. I do not wish to know or be forced to accept that which is considered taboo in most cultures and definitely by the majority of American citizens, whether tolerated or outlawed. Just because something feels good, does not make it right or acceptable. I have known of persons that would disrobe and run completely nude throughout the community. That is a person that is different, so I should "accept" their behavior? Common sense or common decency? Even on here, there are those that defend the abnormal and yet use the term "different" when referring to the deviant lifestyle. Different in this case, is saying that it is not normal behavior.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

We are all aware.
Such a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of humans have this bad wiring.
This is not what is happening in America.
This is not what this thread is about.
This is not what the gay Bud-Lite guy is all about.


Nice try.

Who is "we?". Apparently, not everyone on this thread is aware.

What is the tiny, tiny, tiny percentage? How many living humans do you write off?

The lack of understanding, lack of compassion, and outright hatred against those that are different in this way is what is happening in America and is EXACTLY what this thread is about.

I don't know the "gay Bud-Lite guy" so I can't speak to what she is or is not about.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Who is "we?". Apparently, not everyone on this thread is aware.

What is the tiny, tiny, tiny percentage? How many living humans do you write off?

The lack of understanding, lack of compassion, and outright hatred against those that are different in this way is what is happening in America and is EXACTLY what this thread is about.

I don't know the "gay Bud-Lite guy" so I can't speak to what she is or is not about.

What a silly response.
Of course not 100% on this thread is aware. There's always a chance.
Not writing anyone off, never said I did. Worthless attempt at a debate.
I don't have a lack of understanding or compassion and absolutely not hate.
The tiny, tiny, tine percentage should get help.
Again, this thread & North Face & Bud Lite & Target issue is unrelated to your reach.
Nice try pulling in the hate card. Doesn't apply.

Read the OP, that is what this thread is about.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Did you mean "nuisance?"

I could go either way...

Wait... Does that mean I get my own flag?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Read about fetal brain development and differences between male and female brains. If a brain develops one way while the body develops another there is a conflict - the way you look and the way you are treated doesn't match the way you feel. You can't change the structure of your brain but you can change your outward appearance.

Since brains start with female characteristics and develop into male brains, the most common conflict is when this doesn't happen. The brain has a more female structure while the body develops as male. Someone who changes their outward structure to better align the two is known as a trans-woman.

This has nothing to do with sexual desires. This not a sin. This is not deviant behavior. This is not something that can be "cured" through deprogramming. This is not a choice any more than left-handedness is a choice.

Things might be better for these people if our social norms were changed. If we stopped demanding that those with male characteristics behave one way and those with female characteristics behave a different way. If society was more accepting of those who were different then there wouldn't be as much pressure to look the part you feel you need to play. Unfortunately, acceptance of those who are different hasn't caught on yet.

There are males that act more feminine and females who act more masculine... It's always been that way...

And guess what? Nobody cares... That is not the issue that you keep arguing about...