[MandoMan]

What brutalizes law enforcement personnel? They aren’t all problematic. Many weren’t a problem when they were trained. Most didn’t become cops in hope of being brutal. I think a lot of cops found themselves becoming more and more abusive or aggressive as they experienced aggression against themselves. This is NOT a matter of ethnicity—it happens in all ethnicities—but the more it happens, the more it may change police behavior. A cop assigned a neighborhood with a high crime rate is especially likely to become aggressive.

Consider this. You are a new cop, with good intentions. Perhaps you have a degree in criminal justice. If you are assigned to a neighborhood with little crime, where people treat you with respect, turn to you for help, and thank you, you prosper and you become wiser and more helpful as the years pass. However, if you are assigned to a high crime neighborhood where people lie to you all the time, sneer at you all the time, see you as the enemy rather than as a rescuer, where people curse you to your face, where you are in fear of your lives, where you see criminals breaking laws and hurting people all the time, but know that if you arrest these people, they will be released in hours, then there’s a much better chance that you will become aggressive. Who can blame cops for learning to hate criminals? Who can blame cops for developing a sense of who is a criminal and who isn’t? It may seem unfair to many of us, but that’s how the mind works, how it develops.

I suspect that most “police brutality” can be traced to cops who were brutalized by the people against whom they now show brutality. Some many have come to associate that with skin color, but bear in mind that the problem is found among African-American cops, too. If all cops were treated with respect, many more would treat others with respect.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Fuzz323

I was not going to comment on this thread but I will stick my two cents in. Ninety nine percent of the folks who are screaming about police brutality have NEVER been involved it a situation where you are fighting for your life. There is no way to explain this - I have been there. (State Police - 26 yrs)

I have been thinking for some time that the police - ALL of them - should just take perhaps a two month vacation. Just think of the wonderful things that could happen. You think the riots and theft and assault you are seeing now are bad. The morons that want to defund the police and have citizen patrols have NEVER been involved in what they will allow to happen.

The Thin Blue Line may not be always perfect but its all you have so that you can keep what you own and gets a nights sleep in your own bed. .........and away we go!

Or as another/better idea, how about the overwhelming number of good LEO's (and their unions), grow a spine...and quit getting the bad cops reinstated?

Wouldn't that work?

[Antique lady]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

1 George Floyd killed by Police during arrest 2020

9 Unarmed blacks killed by police 2019

18 People killed during George Floyd protests

19 Unarmed whites killed by police 2019

48 Police officers killed on duty 2019

59,777 White on Black violent acts committed 2018

547,948 Black on White violent acts committed 2018

I am not seeing police brutality as the problem here.

Visit the FBI 2018 crime table. For murder they record the race of the victims and race of the offender.

For 2018 they show a total of 3,315 white murder victims. Race of offender in those murders, 2677 white, 514 African American, 61 other, 63 unknown.

For 2018 they show 2925 African American murder victims. Race of offenders in those murders 234 white, 2600 African American, 17 other, 74 unknown.

[arbajeda]

Attribution, please, like links to web pages. What are the sources of your data? Unbiased information these days is as rare as lips on a chicken but I suppose it could be found.

[regas56]

I have just spent time reading on the CDC and FBI homicide data base websites and I just do not see facts supporting systemic racism when it comes to murder statistics. Yes the # 1 cause of death in young black men ages 15-44 is murder while white men it is at # 4 but a whopping 94% of that murder is black on black and gang related AND 97% of the murder is committed in blue cities and has been since the 70'S.. I've lived my entire life in the suburbs of St Louis County where the Murder rate is around 3%, you can drive safely for hours North, South and West and that number doesn't change, HOWEVER, if I drive 15 minutes East that number explodes to 37%.. We St Louisans get so tired of hearing how we are the Murder Capital of the US when it's actually one little sliver of St Louis that makes up for 97% of that Murder where most of us avoid like the plague. St Louis City pop. 300,000 murder rate 37% St Louis County and surrounding areas population 2 MILLION murder rate 3%... Obviously poverty, gangs and drugs are a dangerous formula and IMHO until we get politics out of the equation these statistics will never change..

[Jacob85]

I have learned it does no good to present conflicting evidence or opinions as most people only hear and process what backs up their belief system

[2daisy]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

1 George Floyd killed by Police during arrest 2020

9 Unarmed blacks killed by police 2019

18 People killed during George Floyd protests

19 Unarmed whites killed by police 2019

48 Police officers killed on duty 2019

59,777 White on Black violent acts committed 2018

547,948 Black on White violent acts committed 2018

I am not seeing police brutality as the problem here.

[600th Photo Sq]

Originally Posted by Fuzz323

I was not going to comment on this thread but I will stick my two cents in. Ninety nine percent of the folks who are screaming about police brutality have NEVER been involved it a situation where you are fighting for your life. There is no way to explain this - I have been there. (State Police - 26 yrs)

I have been thinking for some time that the police - ALL of them - should just take perhaps a two month vacation. Just think of the wonderful things that could happen. You think the riots and theft and assault you are seeing now are bad. The morons that want to defund the police and have citizen patrols have NEVER been involved in what they will allow to happen.

The Thin Blue Line may not be always perfect but its all you have so that you can keep what you own and gets a nights sleep in your own bed. .........and away we go!

I completely agree with you. What these clowns are calling for is crazy. All the while ignoring how well organized the militants were and actually still are.

Strategically placing containers of bricks, rocks, plastic bottles filled with cement, to throw at the police. Many, law enforcement personnel were seriously injured.

And yes some have died.

It is madness. Defund the Police ? You people have no idea what the consequences would be. What on earth are you people thinking.

There are some who regularly post negative comments regarding law enforcement and for that you should be ashamed of yourselves.

I can't post here what I really want to say but needless to say it isn't pleasant !

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by Ashley from UK

In the UK we see people bemoaning slavery, but a question, how many actually know anything about the roots of slavery? Yes it was terrible that the Europeans took people from Africa, but they were bought from their own people. Slavery was not a white invention. Slaves were created to pay debts or family used as security for a debt. The Europeans merely bought these debts and security, and slaves were given the opportunity to buy their freedom. OK I accept I am also on some dodgy ground here because the whole system was seriously abused, Europeans were guilty of creating the breading ground that resulted in Africans enslaving their own people and selling them to the Europeans so I don't for one second say whites hands are clean. But let us also consider the descendants. No matter how bad some may say they feel or are treated today, are they any worse in USA or UK than if they had stayed in Africa with the troubles the continent suffers, droughts, infighting. etc. etc.

My personal experience is that anyone who has to refer to colour is using it as an excuse for lack of ability or willingness to try and better themselves. So few of us are born with a silver spoon but hard work and sacrifice and a dash of luck and we succeed in whatever we do, whether music, sport, school, work, military, nursing. You name it hard work is the only thing that matters, the only thing that will open or close doors... not the colour of your skin.

You're not really using this factoid as an excuse for slavery, are you??? This is a blatant attempt to lessen European & American guilt and blame for purchasing human beings for use as slaves. And as far as who 'invented' it, according to many sources, it was originally the Portuguese that landed in Africa, at least some of whom had the express intent of capturing & kidnapping people to be used as forced labor. To imply otherwise is akin to saying that there would be no market for illegal drugs if there were no sellers. It is the demand that created the market - in BOTH cases.

Even though SOME slaves were allowed to buy their freedom, saying that Europeans "merely bought ... debts and security" is ridiculously implying that it was actually a humane thing to do and that the "system" was somehow meant to be beneficial to all. Absolute nonsense! These people were bought and treated as property, with no human rights whatsoever.

That you further opine that the modern descendants of the slaves are better off than if their ancestors hadn't been enslaved is specious at best. This logic completely ignores the forced labor, beatings, maiming, rape & murder that many of the slaves endured for hundreds of years before their descendants could live in the conditions of today. Please take a closer look at the history of blacks in this country after the end of the Civil War to see the ingrained, systemic & violent racism that existed in this country, some of which continues today.

Your "personal experience" appears to be that of a white European without an actual clue as to what opportunities are available to those who grew up dealing with discrimination in education, health care and employment. Hard work doesn't tell the whole story.

[sloanst]

I am curious. You say that the stats don't add up. Then show the math.

[GoPacers]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

PS This guy likes Porsches too

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[sloanst]

In 2017, the year of latest most complete data, the population of US was ~325.72 million people.
The population break down by race in millions.
White 249.62
Black 43.5
American Indian 4.1
Asian 18.99
Pacific Islander .79
Multi-Racial 8.72

Now lets look at murders committed in 2017 since I am focusing on deaths.
White 4188
Black 5025
American Indian 108
Asian 127
Pacific Islander 20
Multi-Racial N/A

How about people that were killed by the police in 2017 by race.
White 457
Black 233
Hispanic 179
Other 44
Unknown 84

How many police officers are killed in the line of duty in 2017?
46 killed. 42 by firearms, 3 by car used as a weapon, 1 was stabbed.

You do the math.

Crimes by Race
FBI — Table 43

Population by Race
• Population by race in the U.S. 2000-2018 | Statista

Police officers killed in 2017
2017 LEOKA Line-of-Duty Death Statistics Released — FBI

Candace Owen on George Floyd
Candace Owens: "I DO NOT support George Floyd!" & Here's Why! | Durtty Daily - YouTube

[Marylynn]

Correct. It’s not. According to FBI statistics 99% of police shootings are deemed justified. In 2016 alone almost 90% of black murders were committed by blacks. The basis of the why blacks commit the greater majority of violent crime while only being 13% of the population is that 70% of black births are to single mothers. 30% for white births. That means these children live in poverty. Poverty breeds crime. This high single mother birth rate for blacks is what should be addressed. The Obamas had eight years to address this and did not speak one word to it. That was a tragically lost opportunity.

[sloanst]

I listened to Shelby Steele and Bob Woodson last night on this subject. Their argument is there is not systemic racism. If there was, we wouldn't have elected Barack Obama twice, we wouldn't have the number of African-American legislators that we have at all levels of government. We wouldn't have the number of black bureaucrats in all levels of government that currently exist. Their argument comes down the areas of the country that are under one party rule. One party has controlled the power and the money for decades and nothing has improved. It fact, it has gotten worse. Now, many people that live in those cities, those areas are decimated and the call to de-fund the police is rising. What do they hope to accomplish when anyone with open eyes can see that crime is going to get a lot worse in those areas where that one party rules, if they are successful at de-funding the police. If you don't know Shelby Steele then listen. [url=https://www.hoover.org/research/area-45-shelby-steele-race-and-victimization-america]Area 45: Shelby Steele On Race And Victimization In America | Hoover Institution[/url
Bob Woodson: https://woodsoncenter.org/

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

You're not really using this factoid as an excuse for slavery, are you??? This is a blatant attempt to lessen European & American guilt and blame for purchasing human beings for use as slaves. And as far as who 'invented' it, according to many sources, it was originally the Portuguese that landed in Africa, at least some of whom had the express intent of capturing & kidnapping people to be used as forced labor. To imply otherwise is akin to saying that there would be no market for illegal drugs if there were no sellers. It is the demand that created the market - in BOTH cases.

Slavery existed long before America was even discovered and Europeans began their trade. Slavery existed in the first civilizations like the Sumer in Mesopotamia (3500 BC)
Slavery has been inflicted by just about every race and religion on the planet. Africans, Caucasians, Asians, even American Natives had slaves. You'd be surprised that slavery still exists in several countries today, and they aren't run by white people.

You are making a blatant attempt to blame only whites for slavery. Do some more research.