[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by GoPacers

BINGO! How many millions of dollars has Derek Chauvin cost this country with his actions? The Floyd family will likely get a huge settlment. The protests and demonstrations have cost municipality and state governments millions of dollars. Business owners and insurance companies will be out millions to rebuild looted buildings.

How many honest policemen now have to defend themselves against unwarranted attacks from civilians and local governments?

Derek Chauvin was on the taxpayer funded payroll for years. The real question is how did that happen and how do we ensure we weed out all the rest of the Derek Chauvins in the future?

Excellent question.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by GoPacers

Bottom line, the data you referenced has little to nothing to do with validating that police brutality does/does not exist. To your original post - I would therefore agree that you would see little evidence of police brutality in the numbers since the numbers quoted are random facts that are unrelated to police brutality.

By Jove you've got it! I presented a list of factual numbers in which no evidence of police brutality can be seen, unless maybe Police killing of unarmed blacks and whites is a form of Police brutality.

Also you have correctly identified me as a Porsche owner.

Congrats!!

PS This guy likes Porsches too

[Guitarman1951]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

1 George Floyd killed by Police during arrest 2020

9 Unarmed blacks killed by police 2019

18 People killed during George Floyd protests

19 Unarmed whites killed by police 2019

48 Police officers killed on duty 2019

59,777 White on Black violent acts committed 2018

547,948 Black on White violent acts committed 2018

I am not seeing police brutality as the problem here.

Just amazing that the "movement" doesn't really care about facts. That would really be an inconvenient truth wouldn't it!?

[600th Photo Sq]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

If you can't see you haven't watched Floyd's murder or the 75 yea- old in Buffalo or the two college kids in Atalanta and the list could go on and on. Open your eyes.

The Mayor of Buffalo actually defended the Police officers. The person who was pushed was warned multiple times to leave long before the Police arrived.

The person is a known agitator for years.

[junction29]

Originally Posted by Ashley from UK

So parking your numbers to one side, the result has crossed the pond and we have seen vandals in the UK piggyback. But the cause is also flawed.

In the UK we see people bemoaning slavery, but a question, how many actually know anything about the roots of slavery? Yes it was terrible that the Europeans took people from Africa, but they were bought from their own people. Slavery was not a white invention. Slaves were created to pay debts or family used as security for a debt. The Europeans merely bought these debts and security, and slaves were given the opportunity to buy their freedom. OK I accept I am also on some dodgy ground here because the whole system was seriously abused, Europeans were guilty of creating the breading ground that resulted in Africans enslaving their own people and selling them to the Europeans so I don't for one second say whites hands are clean. But let us also consider the descendants. No matter how bad some may say they feel or are treated today, are they any worse in USA or UK than if they had stayed in Africa with the troubles the continent suffers, droughts, infighting. etc. etc.

My personal experience is that anyone who has to refer to colour is using it as an excuse for lack of ability or willingness to try and better themselves. So few of us are born with a silver spoon but hard work and sacrifice and a dash of luck and we succeed in whatever we do, whether music, sport, school, work, military, nursing. You name it hard work is the only thing that matters, the only thing that will open or close doors... not the colour of your skin.

I will conclude with Mohamad Ali who said something along the lines of before we talk about racism and WoB lets sort ourselves out as most crime is BoB....

Well said and a historical fact that is often conveniently overlooked, as is the fact that slavery in many forms is sadly, still prevalent in many societies today. 👿

Martin Luther King also made similar comments to those made by Mohammed Ali 👍

The solution is not simple, nor achievable short term, but long term educational aspirations, not violence is the way forward.

[600th Photo Sq]

Originally Posted by jimchristie

Just amazing that the "movement" doesn't really care about facts. That would really be an inconvenient truth wouldn't it!?

I agree, but honestly trying giving facts to these people is a complete waste of time.

They simply ignore the truth and go on trying to ram their ideology into peoples minds.

I would love to see them go to Venezuela for a reality trip.

[Lindamct]

Thank you. These facts are easy to find. I wish our fake media could show them.

[ldivens]

facts don't matter when the purpose is to play on emotions and the goal is to get a mob angry, they are just pawns

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by rlcooper70

Sir ... no offense ... those numbers you present are not good .... why are you okay with "unarmed" black and white people being killed by police? Isn't the point of those numbers really to say "we can do better America"? Should we stand up and just say "do better"?

Are the police unions at fault for protecting people they know to be racist?

Of course we can do better .... for heaven's sake ... let's just say it.

When you look at a stat regarding unarmed killed by the police, try to imagine how many arrests are made in any given hour in this country. Also take into consideration how many police are killed or injured in the line of duty and tell me how that does not put a lot of stress on their job and performance. At night or even in the day, a resisting person may be beating the life out of a lone officer of the law and shot in self defense. At night, someone being approached by a police officer in suspicious circumstances may be reaching for a phone and the officer might shoot thinking that he is protecting himself. When looking at stats regarding "unarmed" deaths, do some research and see how many of the officers were found at fault after the investigation.
Police are NOT the enemy, no matter what some try to make you think. No matter how much diversity training they get, a police contact with some are construed as "racist" and the same contact with others is deemed just proper police procedure.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by ldivens

facts don't matter when the purpose is to play on emotions and the goal is to get a mob angry, they are just pawns

That's the primary purpose in having rallies...which works well for some people.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by GoPacers

BINGO! How many millions of dollars has Derek Chauvin cost this country with his actions? The Floyd family will likely get a huge settlment. The protests and demonstrations have cost municipality and state governments millions of dollars. Business owners and insurance companies will be out millions to rebuild looted buildings.

How many honest policemen now have to defend themselves against unwarranted attacks from civilians and local governments?

Derek Chauvin was on the taxpayer funded payroll for years. The real question is how did that happen and how do we ensure we weed out all the rest of the Derek Chauvins in the future?

Granted the officers will ultimately cost the tax payers a lot of money. Floyd has already cost the tax payers a lot of money too. You can look at it from both sides and also agree with both views.

What is a REAL shame is retired Capt Dorn being murdered under unnecessary circumstances. A crime of avarice camouflaged as a civil protest. Where's the justice in that?

[billethkid]

The police and what they do every day is serve and protect.
More than 90% (pick a number you like it will not be significantly different), do this very effectively every 24/7.

This current incident is attempting to create a general, across the board, hate based on the 10% (most likely much less) who violate their position.

Protest? No problem.

There is no latitude for outright violation of citizens rights by rioting, property destruction and looting.....NONE!

[600th Photo Sq]

Originally Posted by diamond2005

Give me some numbers, if you did your research. Surely, you did not just take someone’s word for what you are saying. Numbers, numbers!

Google How many crimes whites vs blacks in 2019. There is plenty of information on various web sites.

I'm not into getting into a debate. I am sick and tired of this. The police overreacted and those responsible will be held accountable. In court by a jury.

Then the cowards who killed, looted, burned down business's, most will get away with it.

As for the victims ? Justice will not be served.

The secondary pain and suffering will go on for years to come.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq

Google How many crimes whites vs blacks in 2019. There is plenty of information on various web sites.

I'm not into getting into a debate. I am sick and tired of this. The police overreacted and those responsible will be held accountable. In court by a jury.

Then the cowards who killed, looted, burned down business's, most will get away with it.

As for the victims ? Justice will not be served.

The secondary pain and suffering will go on for years to come.

How does anyone think this is the way to end racism? MLK did a lot without violence.

[Fuzz323]

I was not going to comment on this thread but I will stick my two cents in. Ninety nine percent of the folks who are screaming about police brutality have NEVER been involved it a situation where you are fighting for your life. There is no way to explain this - I have been there. (State Police - 26 yrs)

I have been thinking for some time that the police - ALL of them - should just take perhaps a two month vacation. Just think of the wonderful things that could happen. You think the riots and theft and assault you are seeing now are bad. The morons that want to defund the police and have citizen patrols have NEVER been involved in what they will allow to happen.

The Thin Blue Line may not be always perfect but its all you have so that you can keep what you own and gets a nights sleep in your own bed. .........and away we go!