[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by GeriS

You think???? I've seen videos of boxes of test swabs that say either positive or negative. Think they are deciding the outcome? Do your research. This is going to be biblical.

Originally Posted by GeriS

You are right on. Why are there patents on viruses? You cannot patent something that occurs naturally in nature, therefore this was not natural. Do your research.

Originally Posted by GeriS

You need to do your research. Everything you said is backwards. The vaccinated are shedding the spike protein. Many drs. are saying blood clots are developing in the vaxxed. Yes, it is my body, my choice & I choose not to be experimented on & if you would stop listening to the msm & research you will find what is real.

Originally Posted by GeriS

Why do they have to get the shots? Maybe they chose not to be an experiment. If it is so great, why are they bribing people who know the truth to get it? Maybe you should check what is in it, how long ago this was planned and who is becoming rich over this.

Originally Posted by GeriS

C ommie D isinformation C ommittee

Originally Posted by GeriS

If they are so safe, how come more people have died from it that all vaccines ever?

That's quite a lot of "research". Could you please cite the legitimate sources for these assertions? BTW, "Conspiracy Theory Weekly" is NOT a legitimate source

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by GeriS

C ommie D isinformation C ommittee

Incredible irony considering your many recent posts.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Swoop

This is not a “rumor on social media” the positive tests were reported by every major news network. All six were also retested and confirmed positive.
Two months ago, eight members of the Yankees travel team and coaching staff, who were fully vaccinated, tested positive. One required hospitalization. In order for the 0.007% figure that you provided to truly work, the Yankees would have to have had 114,286 coaches and members of the traveling team…

Poor attempt at statistics. The 0.007% was calculated across all those who were vaccinated, not just those associated with the Yankees.

WRONG: Every vaccinated person who develops a breakthrough case must have 14,286 family members who did not get sick. Therefore, since eight Yankees became infected there must be 114,286 Yankees that did not.

RIGHT: About one out of every 14,286 vaccinated individuals will develop a symptomatic breakthrough case.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I did not "provide" the 0.007% figure, the CDC did. Go argue with them

You “provided” the 0.007% figure to this discussion. I did not confirm that was the CDC’s 0.007% figure.

Assuming you “provided” the correct number from the CDC, then there appears to be a significant difference between what they are reporting and what is actually occurring…

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Poor attempt at statistics. The 0.007% was calculated across all those who were vaccinated, not just those associated with the Yankees.

WRONG: Every vaccinated person who develops a breakthrough case must have 14,286 family members who did not get sick. Therefore, since eight Yankees became infected there must be 114,286 Yankees that did not.

RIGHT: About one out of every 14,286 vaccinated individuals will develop a symptomatic breakthrough case.

The Yankee players are tested for Covid a minimum of every other day, from the beginning of Spring training until the end of the post season.
Of the millions of those vaccinated, how many are tested at that frequency level - without any symptoms?
Which should make you wonder, how many breakout cases are never diagnosed?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Swoop

The Yankee players are tested for Covid a minimum of every other day, from the beginning of Spring training until the end of the post season.
Of the millions of those vaccinated, how many are tested at that frequency level - without any symptoms?
Which should make you wonder, how many breakout cases are never diagnosed?

Or it makes you wonder whether these are truly cases or if you look hard enough you can find whatever you want to find. This is the reason the CDC stopped counting positive test results and now are counting hospitalizations and deaths. Even in the trials the criteria was symptomatic illness, not look-until-you-find-something positive test results.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by merrymini

I am not vaccinated.
You can have my shot to donate to anyone you wish.
Getting or not getting the shot is my business, not yours.
Many vaccinated people get covid but that does not fit the narrative so, sssshhh.
Anyone who would believe the garbage coming from the government should have their head examined.

I am sorry you are not vaccinated. I hope you are not old and more vulnerable to death from Covid-19. It is your business to be sure.

I am beginning to think that the Delta variant may be infecting some people who are vaccinated. It will be important to know if the vaccine protected them from getting a "full strength" case, WHEN THE FIGURES are run.

Will "they" find that the vaccine protected people from serious illness from the Delta Variant?

A lot of people are now having "cold" symptoms including us three. Is that the Delta Variant? We are all vaccinated.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I am sorry you are not vaccinated. I hope you are not old and more vulnerable to death from Covid-19. It is your business to be sure.

I am beginning to think that the Delta variant may be infecting some people who are vaccinated. It will be important to know if the vaccine protected them from getting a "full strength" case, WHEN THE FIGURES are run.

Will "they" find that the vaccine protected people from serious illness from the Delta Variant?

A lot of people are now having "cold" symptoms including us three.
Is that the Delta Variant? We are all vaccinated.

Or a new variant yet to be identified? Neither this pandemic or the learning curve is over quite yet

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Or it makes you wonder whether these are truly cases or if you look hard enough you can find whatever you want to find. This is the reason the CDC stopped counting positive test results and now are counting hospitalizations and deaths. Even in the trials the criteria was symptomatic illness, not look-until-you-find-something positive test results.

Do you really think the Yankees would quarantine multi million dollar ball players if they weren’t “truly” cases?!? 10 days off with pay for no reason?!? They are more throughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet.
And I didn’t have to “look-until-I-found-something”, it has been reported by every major news outlet in the US!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Do you really think the Yankees would quarantine multi million dollar ball players if they weren’t “truly” cases?!? 10 days off with pay for no reason?!? They are more throughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet.
And I didn’t have to “look-until-I-found-something”, it has been reported by every major news outlet in the US!

It's not the Yankees call... It's MLB who are setting the rules and pulling the strings...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Do you really think the Yankees would quarantine multi million dollar ball players if they weren’t “truly” cases?!? 10 days off with pay for no reason?!? They are more throughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet.
And I didn’t have to “look-until-I-found-something”, it has been reported by every major news outlet in the US!

Do I really think..... Yes. I have no doubt that the Yankees, Olympics, or any other organization would absolutely quarantine anyone who has a positive test. No question about it. What is in question is whether a positive test truly means a case.

And you misunderstood "look-until-you-find-domething." I wasn't referring to you personally, I was referring to the testing protocol. How many of those "cases" identified when "they are more thoroughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet" were found in healthy people who showed no signs of infection? How many vaccinated folks walking around every day would be identified as a "case" if they had to undergo that level of testing? If you test enough then you are sure to find what you are looking for. The question should be, does a positive test indicate an infection to be concerned about or are the tests so sensitive that they are finding "cases" that aren't really cases at all?

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Do I really think..... Yes. I have no doubt that the Yankees, Olympics, or any other organization would absolutely quarantine anyone who has a positive test. No question about it. What is in question is whether a positive test truly means a case.

And you misunderstood "look-until-you-find-domething." I wasn't referring to you personally, I was referring to the testing protocol. How many of those "cases" identified when "they are more thoroughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet" were found in healthy people who showed no signs of infection? How many vaccinated folks walking around every day would be identified as a "case" if they had to undergo that level of testing? If you test enough then you are sure to find what you are looking for. The question should be, does a positive test indicate an infection to be concerned about or are the tests so sensitive that they are finding "cases" that aren't really cases at all?

So you’re suggesting that the testing is flawed, because the results do not coincide with the information provided by the CDC?
What should be way more concerning is that those who received the vaccine are much more likely to become infected with Covid than we have been lead to believe.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So you’re suggesting that the testing is flawed, because the results do not coincide with the information provided by the CDC?
What should be way more concerning is that those who received the vaccine are much more likely to become infected with Covid than we have been lead to believe.

And sadly, either theory could be correct. But for now I'm more willing to believe the CDC is truthful than part of some conspiracy plot. But the final chapter is yet to be written

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So you’re suggesting that the testing is flawed, because the results do not coincide with the information provided by the CDC?
What should be way more concerning is that those who received the vaccine are much more likely to become infected with Covid than we have been lead to believe.

You are assuming that those who generate a positive test are "infected with Covid," I do not. I assume the tests have been tweaked to be extremely sensitive and are picking up "infections" where there are none.

In a world where there is no protection from the disease and people are contagious before they are symptomatic then you want to find infections before they occur. You want to err on the side of caution and quarantine people who have even a remote chance of becoming contagious rather than taking the risk that they might infect someone else. You make the test as sensitive as possible, test everyone, and then react with an abundance of caution.

The CDC has not said that if all vaccinated people were tested weekly only 0.007% of them would test positive. The CDC has reported that out of 150,000,000+ vaccinated people, only 5,500 have been hospitalized or died.

[joe & kathy]

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