[JimJohnson]

Originally Posted by amexsbow

Was anyone present during the protests of the two police officers who were assassinated in New York? What about when the 48 police officers killed in 2019? NO? That's because there was not protest. What about the looting that took place? What no looting? I'm just saying...

Like the Military, it’s a dangerous job.

[VillageLiberal]

Originally Posted by Dgizzi

I haven’t seen a peaceful one yet..nothing good comes out of protesting.

Does your statement include the recent protests to reopen Michigan or just the protests to stop the killing of unarmed people by law enforcement? Inquiring minds want to know.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by VillageLiberal

Does your statement include the recent protests to reopen Michigan or just the protests to stop the killing of unarmed people by law enforcement? Inquiring minds want to know.

You just don't understand. (facetious emoji inserted here)

The danger comes from those carrying signs and wearing masks, not those Rambo wannabe's, in camo with assault rifles/ammo belts strapped on, often screaming in the cops faces...without masks.

Floyd had a criminal record for drug dealing and armed robbery including robbing a pregnant woman by sticking a gun in her stomach. If he hadn’t resumed his criminal career when he got out of jail, he wouldn’t have been stopped by the police and gotten himself killed resisting arrest. The officer used a lawful control technique to restrain Floyd and should not be prosecuted. More blacks die shooting each other in Chicago everyday that by all the police in a year.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Dgizzi

And you shouldn’t blame all Police I find it offensive to bully my policemen and women. It isn’t their fault this happened so why punish them? It didn’t happen here. And the policemen is getting charged. Justice is happening why do you have to continue to protest?

Thank you for the support of the good Police Officers in America.

And for those of you that DO NOT SUPPORT Law Enforcement, or think all of them are bad, there will be a instance in your life where you’ll need the Police and when that time comes, go %#*^ yourself.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

You just don't understand. (facetious emoji inserted here)

The danger comes from those carrying signs and wearing masks, not those Rambo wannabe's, in camo with assault rifles/ammo belts strapped on, often screaming in the cops faces...without masks.

A lot goes on that we law abiding people never see. Our police need to have available some mighty strong measures when a person is resisting arrest.

Sometimes angry and strong people who do not want to be arrested are unbelievably hard to restrain. Here you see one biting a police officer;

Bodycam Footage Shows Man Fighting And Biting Police Officers - YouTube




Bodycam Footage Shows Man Fighting And Biting Police Officers - YouTube

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

A lot goes on that we law abiding people never see. Our police need to have available some mighty strong measures when a person is resisting arrest.

Sometimes angry and strong people who do not want to be arrested are unbelievably hard to restrain. Here you see one biting a police officer;

Bodycam Footage Shows Man Fighting And Biting Police Officers - YouTube

Bodycam Footage Shows Man Fighting And Biting Police Officers - YouTube

The continued attempt to passive-aggressively try to blame the man who was murdered in front of our own eyes, by bringing up things that did not exist in this incident...are well noted by now.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

You just don't understand. (facetious emoji inserted here)

The danger comes from those carrying signs and wearing masks, not those Rambo wannabe's, in camo with assault rifles/ammo belts strapped on, often screaming in the cops faces...without masks.

I don't recall the Rambo wannabes injuring or killing any cops, looting stores, burning down buildings etc but other than that you've produced an outstanding false equivalence.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

Like the Military, it’s a dangerous job.

So is leading a life of crime.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

No one should be forced to support...prejudiced and/or racist cops.

There's a member still posting here, claiming to be a retired LEO (not you) who when he thought names didn't show in the old Political Forum...made an outrageously racist post regarding black children.

Once he realized that his user name WAS visible, he ran like a scared little rabbit...and didn't post in that forum again.

And yet, it gave us an excellent insight into at least one cop...and his view regarding race.

I was personally so outraged, I can provide both the post and the user name...if you so want.

And are we supposed to believe that he is the only LEO...with those abhorrent and disgusting views?

Are we supposed to also support those people...simply because they are law enforcement officers?

I absolutely support and give my utmost admiration to the vast majority of those who truly "protect & serve" everyone, but have absolutely no use for those who don't think everyone deserves the same treatment...nor the ones who stay silent or support those that are scum.

WHOA. I am supporting good and hardworking and fair Law enforcement officers. Why don't you see I am trying to show people that there are many who do not use any force unfairly. In drug areas and those of high crime there are many people who do NOT
want to get arrested and they will fight and run. I think that the holding down of people on the face and neck is necessary at times.

We ARE allowed to see GOOD in people. We do not need you or anyone to be our spiritual guide.

Keeping on with the idea that those who support Law Enforcement are passive aggressive is certainly not the case with most people who do. We see with our own eyes how brave most police officers are and how they could use a pay boost, most of them.

CAN you not see that there are thousands of police officers who are not like the one you are talking about. That isn't passive aggressive to speak of them. It hurts them and diminishes them to be thought to be cruel and unfair to people. It is wrong to think all in the group are like the ones in the group you don't like.

You have lived in places apparently that many of us have not lived and must have a different life experience from many of us. I told a police officer that lived next door in Hadley that we had lived in a fairly decent sized area just outside Cincinnati, and we had had one murder in twenty-five years. He didn't believe me. He said I just wasn't aware. He really didn't believe me. He had lived his life just outside NYC. I was accurate and truthful.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

WHOA. I am supporting good and hardworking and fair Law enforcement officers. Why don't you see I am trying to show people that there are many who do not use any force unfairly. In drug areas and those of high crime there are many people who do NOT
want to get arrested and they will fight and run. I think that the holding down of people on the face and neck is necessary at times.

We ARE allowed to see GOOD in people. We do not need you or anyone to be our spiritual guide.

Keeping on with the idea that those who support Law Enforcement are passive aggressive is certainly not the case with most people who do. We see with our own eyes how brave most police officers are and how they could use a pay boost, most of them.

CAN you not see that there are thousands of police officers who are not like the one you are talking about. That isn't passive aggressive to speak of them. It hurts them and diminishes them to be thought to be cruel and unfair to people. It is wrong to think all in the group are like the ones in the group you don't like.

You have lived in places apparently that many of us have not lived and must have a different life experience from many of us. I told a police officer that lived next door in Hadley that we had lived in a fairly decent sized area just outside Cincinnati, and we had had one murder in twenty-five years. He didn't believe me. He said I just wasn't aware. He really didn't believe me. He had lived his life just outside NYC. I was accurate and truthful.

I wish those who want to discuss this situation would stop with the defense of police officers. THAT IS NOT THE CASE...I BELIEVE EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TOUGH THAT JOB IS AND RESPECTS WHAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR PLATE..THEY NEED NO DEFENSE AND FRANKLY I HAVE NEVER READ OR HEARD ANY....ANY CRITICISM OF THE POLICE IN GENERAL.

I realize you will blame me and my mindset, but each and every time something like this happens, at lease on this forum, we begin all the good things that police have done and relive the lives of the other guys as we dig for any dirt we can find.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LISTEN.......the demonstrations, and again.....NOBODY LIKE THE LOOTING....but the demonstrations are to get attention to what is being said. Yes, the outside groups trying to use the demonstations and derail what is actually being said show up...the white supremicists etc. And it appears we pay more attention to them. It is like folks are simply deaf to the message. I read demeaning comments that are knee jerk reactions....they do not even know why the demonstrations and I suppose those who never have to worry about wearing a hoodie, jogging, etc because they have a black skin, simply pass this off.

Why are we not discussing the ongoing situation in our neighborhood and what might be done about it. Why are we not discussing why anyone with black skin is afraid to go out in a hoodie...see the Savannah story where a man out jogging was shot to death. It was because he was black.

Should not the injustice be discussed and LISTENED TO....we are spending our time simply talking instead of even understanding what these protests are about. We spend our time threatening....talking tough in stead of listening and trying to understand.

Every poster on here feigns understanding and if they post, you can be assured it will be about criticizing the police in general (NOT THE CASE), or will have a "BUT" and an addition about taking military force to Americans (not all for sure). Reading today that it is proposed to put tanks in the street......those folks are not listening, simply playing strong guy. Shallow thinking is not going to put this country back together.

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

......


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country.

each generation becomes more conservative as they age (in terms of percentage of the population) because they have experienced more of life as it actually is versus how they imagined it would be.

[JimJohnson]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

The continued attempt to passive-aggressively try to blame the man who was murdered in front of our own eyes, by bringing up things that did not exist in this incident...are well noted by now.

Don’t waste your breath. It was murder....

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I wish those who want to discuss this situation would stop with the defense of police officers. THAT IS NOT THE CASE...I BELIEVE EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TOUGH THAT JOB IS AND RESPECTS WHAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR PLATE..THEY NEED NO DEFENSE AND FRANKLY I HAVE NEVER READ OR HEARD ANY....ANY CRITICISM OF THE POLICE IN GENERAL.

I realize you will blame me and my mindset, but each and every time something like this happens, at lease on this forum, we begin all the good things that police have done and relive the lives of the other guys as we dig for any dirt we can find.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LISTEN.......the demonstrations, and again.....NOBODY LIKE THE LOOTING....but the demonstrations are to get attention to what is being said. Yes, the outside groups trying to use the demonstations and derail what is actually being said show up...the white supremicists etc. And it appears we pay more attention to them. It is like folks are simply deaf to the message. I read demeaning comments that are knee jerk reactions....they do not even know why the demonstrations and I suppose those who never have to worry about wearing a hoodie, jogging, etc because they have a black skin, simply pass this off.

Why are we not discussing the ongoing situation in our neighborhood and what might be done about it. Why are we not discussing why anyone with black skin is afraid to go out in a hoodie...see the Savannah story where a man out jogging was shot to death. It was because he was black.

Should not the injustice be discussed and LISTENED TO....we are spending our time simply talking instead of even understanding what these protests are about. We spend our time threatening....talking tough in stead of listening and trying to understand.

Every poster on here feigns understanding and if they post, you can be assured it will be about criticizing the police in general (NOT THE CASE), or will have a "BUT" and an addition about taking military force to Americans (not all for sure). Reading today that it is proposed to put tanks in the street......those folks are not listening, simply playing strong guy. Shallow thinking is not going to put this country back together.

I like your post. I like that you try to state your view as clearly and concisely as possible. I think much of what you say has merit. For example, the need to listen. I sometimes thInk folks are preparing their rebuttal before they really digest what someone was trying to convey. I also suspect some attempt to read between the lines and end up writing between the lines. Blog posts, tweets, sound bites, seldom tell the whole story and many people who are really on the same side end up bickering because of differences in manner of expression.
After several days of reading, viewing, here is some of my take-aways.
A man is dead. Justice for Mr. Floyd is too late. Justice for those involved in his death remains to be seen.
The demonstrations proclaiming justice for George Floyd won't restore his life, so it is not really about him, it is about social injustice. Peaceful protest draws positive attention to the need to continue to address the problem of social injustice. Rioting and looting, violence and mayhem draws negative attention and is harmful and regressive in dealing with the issue of social injustice. Riots and looting is often a tool of hate groups that want to divide us. Mr. Floyd deserves to be quietly mourned by those who loved him and not be made a spectacle of by those who never knew him but are more than willing to hijack this tragedy for their own agendas. Lastly, the discussion of social injustice needs to go forward, people need to listen and try to understand all points of view before we can step into a better future side by side, hand in hand, leaving bitterness and hatred in the past where it belongs.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by amexsbow

Was anyone present during the protests of the two police officers who were assassinated in New York? What about when the 48 police officers killed in 2019? NO? That's because there was not protest. What about the looting that took place? What no looting? I'm just saying...

Don't you realize you are comparing apples and oranges? You don't protest against individuals or criminal gangs. You protest to get the government or other institutions to change their ways. Did the government kill those police officers? Um, no. But, that doesn't matter to you, anyway.