[Lindaws]

That is what parties do.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by petiteone

As a retired MD I can tell you that people who have survived COVID are being told to get the vaccine because it provides stronger and longer protection from COVID. Please get educated. I wore a mask every day of my career and it's verified protection.

No offense but it is you who needs education. Here is the data from Israel. On the right you have three categories, all with 90% plus risk reduction.

Vaccinated 3 times, recovered not vaccinated, recovered and vaccinated
with little difference in protection. There is very little gained by vaccination after recovery, in fact in the most at risk 60 years plus category they are exactly the same, 97% risk reduction.



The people who need vaccination most are the unvaccinated and fully vacinated more than 6 months ago. You wore a mask to prevent your bacteria from contaminating the patient, not virus protection. Read about aerosoled virus sizes and it is obvious surgical and cloth masks only stop larger globules. 85% of virus expelled from infected is very small aerosols.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I think you make a lot of good points here. But, your statement implies that there is no hate, and that is not accurate.

Here is a sign I saw on the way home from town just the other day, it seems to reflect pure hate to me. Just what it is that they hate is fairly clear, the segment of our society that disagrees with them. (or that they disagree with).

You must have a different definition of hate than other folks. Although, I may be biased because I concur with the statement on that sign. However, I do not hate those ignorant enough to be followers rather than leaders. I do not hate the Brits for their tyranny before we declared our independence, and I never hated the Vietnamese during the war(examples). Hate is a strong word and like it was said above, serves only to halt a discussion when one has run out of convincing points.

Maybe my faith has eliminated HATE in my life?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

You must have a different definition of hate than other folks. Although, I may be biased because I concur with the statement on that sign. However, I do not hate those ignorant enough to be followers rather than leaders. I do not hate the Brits for their tyranny before we declared our independence, and I never hated the Vietnamese during the war(examples). Hate is a strong word and like it was said above, serves only to halt a discussion when one has run out of convincing points.

Maybe my faith has eliminated HATE in my life?

In the context of this thread, a person murdering his brother - sounds like hate, maybe mentally ill hate, but hate.

I don't hate people who believe in a personally god, I am happy if it makes them happy.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

No offense but it is you who needs education. Here is the data from Israel. On the right you have three categories, all with 90% plus risk reduction.

Vaccinated 3 times, recovered not vaccinated, recovered and vaccinated
with little difference in protection. There is very little gained by vaccination after recovery, in fact in the most at risk 60 years plus category they are exactly the same, 97% risk reduction.

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The people who need vaccination most are the unvaccinated and fully vacinated more than 6 months ago. You wore a mask to prevent your bacteria from contaminating the patient, not virus protection. Read about aerosoled virus sizes and it is obvious surgical and cloth masks only stop larger globules. 85% of virus expelled from infected is very small aerosols.

My dad can beat up your dad. My experts and smarter than your experts. Been around and around this tree. It doesn't mater since the common flu is worse anyway.

[HRDave]

Mental illness has no boundaries. It manifests itself in many evil ways.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by HRDave

Mental illness has no boundaries. It manifests itself in many evil ways.

I do agree, and I had to walk away to avoid a post that would have possibly gotten me awarded a permanent ban - LOL!

[thevillages2013]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Well, when the government is forcing the vaccine on freedom-loving Americans under penalty of career, job, ability to function in society ... you have to EXPECT that some will respond like this. While that will never be my response to others being vax'd, I do understand the sentiment. If someone came to my door attempting to force the vaccine into MY arm, they will suffer from lead poisoning. What this man did was wrong - it was not self defense. Let's just wait and see how the world looks in the next 12-18 months.

I'm in Maryland at the moment and the story is indeed true. Surprised at this? Not at all. If the government keeps pushing, people will push back. Not everyone will react the same but don't expect meek compliance.

It is sad but true. Your comments are spot on IMO

[justjim]

With all do respect, over 700,000 have died from Covid in the US. If wearing a mask and getting vaccinated during the pandemic requires me doing something for the better good and sacrificing a little personal freedom in the process that might save one life - I will do it. We all make choices good, bad or otherwise.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

My dad can beat up your dad. My experts and smarter than your experts. Been around and around this tree. It doesn't mater since the common flu is worse anyway.

I have no idea what your point is. The data from Israel is not some "expert's opinion". The data in the chart I posted above was based a a very large study of millions of Israeli citizens. Israel keeps very good records and are very transparent. Israel was one of the first countries to start a nationwide vaccine campaign, they experienced the delta wave before us, and ciurrently they have given 3rd booster shots to several million citizens, more than any country so far especially per capita.

Israeli health authorities presented their data to the FDA during their deliberation on booster shots. I can guarantee you that Fauci, CDC heads, etc and probably 90% of the epidemiologists on earth have studied that chart and data very closely.

Israel is the canary in the covid mine.

[I'm Popeye!]

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye!

More to this story than it's known, truth will come out.
If CNN pushes it all week long with the bobbing heads, then it's a......

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

CNN has not covered it, as far as I know, not at the time of the original post anyway.

So, thanks for bashing CNN, even thought it was/is not involved. Agenda much?

Here's are just a few good reasons why I said what I said about CNN:
- CNN Participated in The Hunter’s Laptop Cover-Up
- Lies about the Covington teen Nick Sandmann just for wearing a red hat.
- Weeks of the big Jussie Smollett hoax.
And let's not forget the downplayed Murder, Riots and Destruction in Cities to Peaceful Demonstrations.
So many, many more I can produce, but will fall under a political topic..

[coralway]

Originally Posted by drgoofy

I really don't understand. Trump pushed for development of the vaccine and Biden ramped up production and made it widely available. Both should be applauded for their efforts to fight the pandemic. What's political about that? I saw golf carts in TV with signs thanking Mr. Trump for the vaccine.

He spent close to 8 months denying it even existed - called it a hoax pushed by the opposing Party. "It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear"

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coralway

He spent close to 8 months denying it even existed - called it a hoax pushed by the opposing Party. "It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear"

Denying what existed? Called what a hoax? Please be specific...

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye!

Here's are just a few good reasons why I said what I said about CNN:
- CNN Participated in The Hunter’s Laptop Cover-Up
- Lies about the Covington teen Nick Sandmann just for wearing a red hat.
- Weeks of the big Jussie Smollett hoax.
And let's not forget the downplayed Murder, Riots and Destruction in Cities to Peaceful Demonstrations.
So many, many more I can produce, but will fall under a political topic..

Which has nothing to do with this post, but thank you for the comments. I understand you don't trust CNN, neither do with. You have made that abundantly clear in oh, maybe a couple hundred posts?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Which has nothing to do with this post, but thank you for the comments. I understand you don't trust CNN, neither do with. You have made that abundantly clear in oh, maybe a couple hundred posts?

There's a saying about a pot and a kettle...