[Alana33]

From the arrest report:

8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said ”want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions.

At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Who is silent? I hear a lot of white people condemning this act.

I just heard a commentator on television say that we need peace, but we also need justice. I hope that we can get justice for all of these business owners that had nothing to do with the actions of this police officer as well.

yeah, i'm with you. i dont know of any person of any color or background who condones this act of murder. someone asked what is 3rd degree? it's willfull misconduct resulting in death. this is what we have here. what's more scary is the fact that all those cops felt comfortable with this method of restraint-not 1 of them looks concerned. why was floyd on the ground? he was fully cuffed & in control. why were they sitting on him? i didnt see a struggle. the ny post had a video of minutes before he was taken down, & in no way did that look violent-he was already cuffed & sitting on the pavement next to the building nearby. ANOTHER irony is that both the cop & floyd used to work together doing security detail. !@%$!! a sickening situation all around, truly disgusting

[rjn5656]

Nothing but a bunch of thugs taking advantage of a bad experience.

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov

If the police were allowed to do their jobs the looting would not happen. A certain segment of the population as described above have learned that free stuff is their for the taking.

"allowed to do their jobs" is a very broad term, unfortunately. Some might argue that Derek Chauvin, the officer charged with George Floyd's death, was "doing his job". The question of what is an officer's job is often posed and there are often different answers given. This is similar to what is the government's job, or primary responsibility in America; many different answers ensue. In the "old days" it seems there were fewer of these types of incidence, but the police were in a difficult situation, regarding looting and arson - what should the proper response be? Should deadly force be used to protect property, or, only life? Currently (right or wrong), there are a myriad of hi-tech tools at the disposal of most all urban police forces, e.g. pepper bullets, tear gas, rubber bullets, tasers, K-9 dogs, LRAD sound cannons, repellant spray, armored vehicles, riot-control gear, ad nauseum, making this an easier question to answer; lethal force, as a response, can often be avoided. There are really only two choices if the goal is to protect property: sufficient police presence (Natl Guard or LEOs) to maintain a defensive blockade and repellant force - almost impossible under most conditions, due to limited resources. Or, containing looters and arsonists using the above methods/devices. Both of these are dependent upon the orders received from their superiors, however, as to what and when any actions will be taken. If the order to protect property is not given, then the response will be minimal! Mayor Jacob Frey, in the press conference that I viewed was fairly explicit that (paraphrasing) buildings were not so important and lives mattered. This, in spite of all of the non-lethal options available

Having said all of that, inciting the people that we are speaking of with incendiary language should NOT be the goal of a responsible elected official

Mayor Jacob Frey (press conference - national TV):

"Being Black in America should not be a death sentence. For five minutes, we watched a white officer press his knee into a Black man's neck."

Shouldn't a more responsible and less inciteful comment have been:
Getting killed while in police custody should never occur in America and we will ensure that justice will prevail?

Fred

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Don Ferguson

The actions of the Al Sharpton hatred industry have destroyed what I believe was the greatest chance for change in decades!

In recent riot inducing actions (Eric Garner, NYC and Michael Brown, MO) their were extenuating circumstances that justified police actions. This case as close to perfect as it gets, if you are looking for racial equality changes. Watch the 8 minutes of multiple videos and two things are unforgettable> (1) Mr. Floyd did nothing to deserve the treatment he got! (2) It is a systemic problem in the Minneapolis Police Department. That is absolutely proven by complete nonchalance of the other three officers observing the horrendous actions by Chauvin without the slightest concern of wrong doing, as they looked right into video devices recording them! In short, changes for the better would have been guaranteed IF the hate industry had stayed out of it. There was simply no argument available to oppose any requested actions.

INSTEAD the discussion is now centered on the disgusting destruction and ruination of innocent lives caused by mobs that simply want to break, burn and steal things!

nothing in eric gardeners circumstances required restraint that led to death. the dude was selling single cigs out a pack. he didnt run, strike or raise a fist.

[Don Ferguson]

Originally Posted by davem4616

I get that there needs to be consequences for bigoted people with racist attitudes....and that needs be a piece of the puzzle...but if that's it, then it's just kicking the damn can down the street once again, the underlying systemic issues need to be addressed...otherwise, nothing ever changes

I find that comment a sad joke. WHAT ARE THE "UNDERLYING SYSTEMIC ISSUES"? That answer is laughably simple. The issue is a lack of love and respect between the two races! And how do you plan on legislating the answer to that?

The Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton hate corporation could not afford to let this alone. This was one action that even a white supremacist couldn't justify. Good things would have happened for black folks if the riots had not happened to change the focus back against the minority supporters. When good things happen for blacks Jesse?Al et all lose millions in coerced donations.

[Don Ferguson]

Originally Posted by PugMom

nothing in eric gardeners circumstances required restraint that led to death. the dude was selling single cigs out a pack. he didnt run, strike or raise a fist.

Completely untrue. Eric Garner was a giant of a man that verbally, on video, refused to leave, and verbally and physically refused to be arrested. He forced the smaller officers to restrain him!

[MandoMan]

And that’s the news from Lake WoeBeGone, where all the women are rich, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average.

The vast majority of Minnesota is blessedly free of the sorts of people who commit arson, riot, loot, or sell drugs. It’s a beautiful state with lots of lakes and fields and forests and people with blond hair and vaguely Scandinavian accents, like my ancestors.

[Bucco]

I am concerned about tonight. Reading and hearing that our government is circulating a “rumor” that supporters would/should be at the WH to face protestors, while criticizing the mayor of Washington (unfairly according to the secret service).

Should not everyone be in sync to stop rioting and return to peace ?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Don Ferguson

I find that comment a sad joke. WHAT ARE THE "UNDERLYING SYSTEMIC ISSUES"? That answer is laughably simple. The issue is a lack of love and respect between the two races! And how do you plan on legislating the answer to that?

The Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton hate corporation could not afford to let this alone. This was one action that even a white supremacist couldn't justify. Good things would have happened for black folks if the riots had not happened to change the focus back against the minority supporters. When good things happen for blacks Jesse?Al et all lose millions in coerced donations.

Jackson and Sharpton are only interested in fostering hatred. Leave out the violent protests and criminality and more people of all races would be joining the protest.

[Don Ferguson]

Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov

Jackson and Sharpton are only interested in fostering hatred. Leave out the violent protests and criminality and more people of all races would be joining the protest.

Amen!

[Don Ferguson]

Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov

Jackson and Sharpton are only interested in fostering hatred. Leave out the violent protests and criminality and more people of all races would be joining the protest.

Saw a great reaction last night on TV. It was a Black Pastor named Scott. I think his exact words were: "Al Sharpton has NEVER in his entire life, been involved with a problem that he didn't make worse."

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Don Ferguson

Saw a great reaction last night on TV. It was a Black Pastor named Scott. I think his exact words were: "Al Sharpton has NEVER in his entire life, been involved with a problem that he didn't make worse."

He plays the race card every chance he gets, even to evade taxes. Why is he "untouchable"?

Al Sharpton gets $1M in pay from his own charity, tax filings show | Fox News

People Jailed for Owing Less Taxes Than Al Sharpton | Fox Business

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by rjn5656

Nothing but a bunch of thugs taking advantage of a bad experience.

Black Firefighter Spent His Life Savings to Open a Bar. Then Minneapolis Looters Burned It Down

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Don Ferguson

Saw a great reaction last night on TV. It was a Black Pastor named Scott. I think his exact words were: "Al Sharpton has NEVER in his entire life, been involved with a problem that he didn't make worse."

So very true