[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Free speech is fine though I expect you believe the first amendment goes farther than it actually does.

Ignorance, especially willful ignorance, is a shame. You can choose to believe the conspiracy theories about Covid as a cause of death and you can probably find an example or three where a mistake was made. However, whether they were properly categorized or not, there were over 500,000 more people that died in 2020 than in any of the previous three years.

They may or may not have been "true" Covid deaths but there were still 500,000 additional deaths. Absent any other explanation for the increase, and given that there was only one uncommon health crisis in 2020, the vast majority of those 500,000 must have been due to Covid.

A thought on "true" Covid deaths:
The question to be asked is, "Would the deaths have occurred last year if the individual had not contracted Covid?" People die of pneumonia, heart disease, and other pulmonary diseases every year. In each of the three years prior to 2020, about 2.8M people died in the US from various causes including pneumonia, heart disease, and other pulmonary diseases. In 2020, 3.4M people died of various causes. Would there have been an additional 600,000 deaths if there was no Covid? The three-year trend says there would not have been.

Whether the deaths were Covid-only or they were Covid-induced they were still due to Covid. A vaccine that would prevent a person from contracting Covid would prevent both Covid-only deaths and Covid-induced deaths and would have saved most of the 556,000 additional deaths that have occurred.

The CDC lags two years behind when reporting the actual deaths in the USA. They have not even released the 2019 numbers yet...
Nice try...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Swoop

The CDC lags two years behind when reporting the actual deaths in the USA. They have not even released the 2019 numbers yet...
Nice try...

Please refer to the links in post #30 (and quoted in post #41). Note the large CDC logo at the top next to the words "Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

Is it really too much to ask that you click on the links I took the time to post before you try to accuse me of making things up???

[MaxCat]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Trusting Big Pharma is like trusting the government

Can’t believe either one of them

So does that mean you will soon be going off your meds for blood pressure / diabetes / heart disease / high cholesterol / hyperthyroidism / heartburn medications soon?
Yeah, didn't think so.

[MaxCat]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

The statement above ... no matter who is making it ... is what I reject. It is stated as if it is fact but it is not. With a 99.97% chance of NOT DYING from COVID, I personally judge the risk of the shot (not a vaccine) to be higher than just waiting my turn to be exposed to the virus.

The shot (not a vaccine) does not prevent infection; it only (possibly) protects from getting sick after infection. Everyone, everywhere will be exposed / infected at some time, somewhere. I choose to trust my unaltered immune system. And it is my choice.

You get to make your choice about who you believe and trust. Good luck.

And definitely your right to believe / not believe or take your chances / not take your chances with the phenomena of thinning the herd. Good luck.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Please refer to the links in post #30 (and quoted in post #41). Note the large CDC logo at the top next to the words "Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

Is it really too much to ask that you click on the links I took the time to post before you try to accuse me of making things up???

That link to the CDC shows the deaths that are caused by influenza. The chart shows a large increase based on Covid coded deaths. The CDC has NOT reported the total deaths, or the death rate in the US, in 2019 or 2020 yet...

[sloanst]

Damn, I was so hoping to be the next Spiderman, the Flash or the Human Torch. Oh well. One can dream. Maybe I will gain an extra 5 yards with my driver. LOL

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Swoop

That link to the CDC shows the deaths that are caused by influenza. The chart shows a large increase based on Covid coded deaths. The CDC has NOT reported the total deaths, or the death rate in the US, in 2019 or 2020 yet...

Get back to me after you actually look at the graph and especially the data in the spreadsheet. Work to understand the difference between All Deaths (column G) and Pneumonia, Influenza or COVID-19 Deaths (PIC) (column K).

[pittta]

Moderna chief medical officer who I supposed knows better than you has a different opinion
Pls read his opinion here

Bombshell: Moderna Chief Medical Officer Admits mRNA Alters DNA - The Washington Standard

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Studies and clinical trials on RNA vaccines for other viruses – and even cancers – have been going on for a decade.

Nobody getting the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine is a test subject of any kind. These are not experimental vaccines in any way. And they do not modify your dna.

Three ways RNA is being used in the next generation of medical treatment

[pittta]

Could mRNA Vaccines Permanently Alter DNA? Recent Science Suggests They Might. • Children's Health Defense

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Studies and clinical trials on RNA vaccines for other viruses – and even cancers – have been going on for a decade.

Nobody getting the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine is a test subject of any kind. These are not experimental vaccines in any way. And they do not modify your dna.

Three ways RNA is being used in the next generation of medical treatment

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by pittta

Moderna chief medical officer who I supposed knows better than you has a different opinion
Pls read his opinion here

Bombshell: Moderna Chief Medical Officer Admits mRNA Alters DNA - The Washington Standard

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[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Get back to me after you actually look at the graph and especially the data in the spreadsheet. Work to understand the difference between All Deaths (column G) and Pneumonia, Influenza or COVID-19 Deaths (PIC) (column K).

From the CDC’s website: “CDC’s National Vital Statistics System (NVSS) collects and reports annual mortality statistics using data from U.S. death certificates. Because of the time needed to investigate certain causes of death and to process and review data, final annual mortality data for a given year are typically released 11 months after the end of the calendar year.”
The numbers for 2020 are estimated...

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

They both were vaccinated in secret. They are like two peas in a pod.

This would be opposed to the many senators and congress persons who got the vaccine early and in front of cameras. They wanted to make sure everyone saw them get it and would believe it to be safe. They did this for altruistic reasons only, not because they wanted to be first in line for the vaccine. /s

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

fact-check-modernas-chief-medical-officer-did-not-say-mrna-vaccines-alter-dna

Thanks, you beat me to it, as reading the link it's easy to see what Zaks actually said and was then purposely misconstrued by that source's writer. Speaking of which, the source of the other link is also strongly biased to one viewpoint and is primarily based on one Dr's opinion. This one.

Doug Corrigan pushing bad science and anti-vax tropes about mRNA vaccines

[BiPartisan]

Originally Posted by Boffin

I thought the focus of this post was the definitive fact that the mRNA used in COVID vaccines does not modify DNA.

Please reply with the post that mentioned DNA

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by rmd2

This would be opposed to the many senators and congress persons who got the vaccine early and in front of cameras. They wanted to make sure everyone saw them get it and would believe it to be safe. They did this for altruistic reasons only, not because they wanted to be first in line for the vaccine. /s

Thank you. Someone who understands the ramifications of secretive vaccinations. The good these two men COULD have done is limitless.