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I had my 2 vaccines but I truly believe that it's longitudinal studies over 10, 20 or 30 yrs that tell the true story of what vaccines or environmental factors really do to our bodies.
The reward / risk for getting the vaccine was greater than taking a chance on getting CV. CV has documented "long haul" problems. The vaccines do not.
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Preclinical work on therapeutic mRNA goes back at least to 1990, 20 years ago...

Want to Know More About mRNA Before Your COVID Jab? | MedPage Today

Never Been Done Before?

While an mRNA vaccine has never been on the market anywhere in the world, mRNA vaccines have been tested in humans before, for at least four infectious diseases: rabies, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and Zika.

mRNA can target tumor-associated antigens expressed mainly by cancerous cells, like certain growth factors. These vaccines have been tested in a range of cancers, including acute myeloid leukemia, multiple myeloma, glioblastoma, melanoma, prostate cancer, and others.

Why Did Earlier Vaccines Stall?

"A major factor is that there's not a sense of urgency," Dennis Burton, PhD, of Scripps Translational Research Clinic in La Jolla, California, told MedPage Today.

Zika has been relatively contained; rabies vaccines are already sufficiently effective; and influenza remains a difficult target, Burton said.

...based on the sheer number of people who will be vaccinated for COVID-19, events will occur, and most will likely be unrelated to the vaccine.

"One of the things we're most concerned about is that people won't get vaccinated," he said. "But the risks of this disease are going to be way higher than the risks associated with vaccination."

Clinical trials for 75,000 people show it’s safe and it’s 95 percent effective,” Dr. Weissman said. “That’s pretty good data to convince people that it is OK.”
While mRNA is a new technology, experts have been working on it for years.

It’s not just as though these technologies were just starting to be developed during the pandemic,” Dr. Moss said. “There has been a lot of preparatory work.”


This is part of The Associated Press’ ongoing effort to fact-check misinformation that is shared widely online, including work with Facebook to identify and reduce the circulation of false stories on the platform.


Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials
What they didn’t tell you was the trial on animals failed miserably. The animals died. They wouldn’t publish this info. Ya gotta do some digging to find out the truth.
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The statement above ... no matter who is making it ... is what I reject. It is stated as if it is fact but it is not. With a 99.97% chance of NOT DYING from COVID, I personally judge the risk of the shot (not a vaccine) to be higher than just waiting my turn to be exposed to the virus.

The shot (not a vaccine) does not prevent infection; it only (possibly) protects from getting sick after infection. Everyone, everywhere will be exposed / infected at some time, somewhere. I choose to trust my unaltered immune system. And it is my choice.

You get to make your choice about who you believe and trust. Good luck.
I don't trust the zinc advocates.
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Old 05-19-2021, 03:29 PM
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I agree? And why has 50% of the first responders decided not to be vaccinated. I have had the Covid already, and I have the antibodies in my blood to fight the Covid. I give blood, and they would like for me to give even more.
50% of ALL the people in the US have NOT been vaccinated. Police and Fireman are traditionally conservative, so they would be EXPECTED to have a low vaccination rate.
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Old 05-19-2021, 03:48 PM
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The trouble is I don't believe the numbers because almost everybody that died in 2020 was blamed on covid. The news has been full of families that had to take legal action on cause of death to collect insurance. Hospitals are rewarded monetarily for covid deaths but not any other cause. In my opinion and it's only my opinion I would bet only 50 to 60 percent were strictly from covid (I think that is being generous) the rest had serious other health issues or were so old that any minor illness would have killed them, or both. Just my opinion and as an American who hasn't had my free speech taken away yet I choose to express it.
Many people believe that CV deaths were UNDERCOUNTED!
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Trump was interviewed by Maria Bartiromo and (I heard it myself) he confirmed that he and Melania were both vaccinated. They just did not do it publicly which is an absolute shame. I cannot express my disappointment in both of them enough for being vaccinated secretly. That was a bad decision on his part not to have the cameras capture the vaccination event. Same goes for our governor. I'm very disappointed in him too.
I expected that to happen. (backroom deals and a lack of transparency) - a perfect example of a lack of patriotism. "these are the times that try men's (and women's) SOUL. I predict that Democracy itself is in DANGER!
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Moderna chief medical officer who I supposed knows better than you has a different opinion
Pls read his opinion here

Bombshell: Moderna Chief Medical Officer Admits mRNA Alters DNA - The Washington Standard
That is one weird link to a strange newspaper.
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Old 05-19-2021, 04:31 PM
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Speaking about Big Pharma, isn't covid a souped up cold virus and hasn't big Pharma said for decades there is no cure for the common cold? I would like to know them how suddenly in less than a year they have developed not one but three vaccines that prevent covid? Has anyone who's had the vaccine gotten a cold since being vaccinated? I would be interested in that stat.
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What they didn’t tell you was the trial on animals failed miserably. The animals died. They wouldn’t publish this info. Ya gotta do some digging to find out the truth.
That IS difficult to believe.
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That IS difficult to believe.
None of what the original topic of this post is very accurate....Human trials for RNA VaX? Don't think so..not on this planet.

All of the Media have tried to make this well respected scientist..(more so than Fauci the hack) into some kind of kook.....Got news for you all...he is spot on and is the ex Vice President of Pfizer and went of and created his own biotech firm......I have not trusted the media and the phony fact checkers for a long time now...it all spin...Take a look at the real facts and not positive conspiracy theories. Dr Michael Yeadon - An Urgent Warning To The World

This is a must see!!
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If someone is STILL calling it the "Chinese Virus", they are probably devouring propaganda and ignoring logic and medical science.
I'm not following this. The first known identification of the coronavirus was in Wuhan, China. Initially believed a lab leak but perhaps more likely from some wild animal farm in China.

Didn't the 80s Russian Flu initiate in Russia? Not sure. But we know where the coronavirus originated.

Not to worry cause as sure as white on rice the Chinese will have a better, cheaper vaccine for what they created. Not a bad business.

Gotta love Beijing, right?
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The reward / risk for getting the vaccine was greater than taking a chance on getting CV. CV has documented "long haul" problems. The vaccines do not.
According to the CDC people who have had “long haul” Covid issues typically fall into the high risk category.
If you aren’t in the high risk group, your chances of dying of Covid, or having “long haul” issues is extremely low.
What is completely unknown, is what potential long term side effects from the mRNA vaccines are. There is no historical data to refer to. But, we will know a few years from now, when they review the results of the largest vaccine trial in history...
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How will the FDA justify full approval though? I mean, on average it takes 5 - 10 years to get a vaccine approved, but they'll approve this one in a year? Even before any short-term effects are truly known. Will the FDA do that to Americans? Either way, there currently are no fully-approved c19 vaxs on the market, correct? AND that was the point of my post, pointing out that what was said was terribly inaccurate, all the c19 vaxs ARE experimental.
I see your point. This just may be the most massive experiment ever conducted. Millions of people have had these mRNA vaccines in arms. That just may be the reason why the FDA will give full approval. It is a waiting game.
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What they didn’t tell you was the trial on animals failed miserably. The animals died. They wouldn’t publish this info. Ya gotta do some digging to find out the truth.
Many thanks to those animals who died. They provided the ground work for the vaccine development and allowed the scientists to develop a very safe vaccine for humans. That is what experimental animals are for.
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They provided the ground work for the vaccine development and allowed the scientists to develop a very safe vaccine for humans.
You don't know that yet! Nobody knows that yet!
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