[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by TimeForChange

Glad you know how to "google" and get one opinion. Read some books on how the war started and what caused it. It had just as much to do with the election of Lincoln, the rights of the States. The government we founded was a federation. That is a central government with smaller ones who have rights and control of their on. Otherwise we would be a unitarian government. (I think I have heard this recently when it came to the virus).

While I've known that for quite some time, I'm certainly not going to apologize for using every method available...to learn facts and expand my knowledge and education.

It's hard for me to personally even fathom, anyone being against or trying to denigrate others...for doing the same.

The "State's Rights" that the traitor's mostly cared about...was to own other human beings.


P.S. It's "hate" NOT "heritage"...that's at the core.

Just ask Bubba Wallace, the only black NASCAR driver, who found a noose in his garage...after NASCAR recently banned the confederate flag.

[JoMar]

And now thay have taken down the statues of Grant and Francis Scott Key because he owned slaves. Streets will be renamed, towns will be renamed. Universities will be renamed. Battlefields will be turned into parking lots and those that sacrificed their lives for what they believed in will be lost in vain. It's so easy for us to judge through what we learned yet none of us have a clue what it was like to live in that moment.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by JoMar

And now thay have taken down the statues of Grant and Francis Scott Key because he owned slaves. Streets will be renamed, towns will be renamed. Universities will be renamed. Battlefields will be turned into parking lots and those that sacrificed their lives for what they believed in will be lost in vain. It's so easy for us to judge through what we learned yet none of us have a clue what it was like to live in that moment.

So you must not agree with Germany's laws on not allowing any statues or monuments...for Hitler or the Nazi's?

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Just ask Bubba Wallace, the only black NASCAR driver, who found a noose in his garage...after NASCAR recently banned the confederate flag.
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Well since you bought up Bubba Wallace

YouTube

Steve

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

Well since you bought up Bubba Wallace

YouTube

Steve

One person on YouTube, who the racists will love, is saying that Wallace couldn't be be hated for his black skin...because he wasn't completely black?

You really think racists don't still believe in the..."one drop rule?"

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The one-drop rule is a social and legal principle of racial classification that was historically prominent in the United States in the 20th century. It asserted that any person with even one ancestor of black ancestry ("one drop" of black blood)[1][2] is considered black (Negro or colored in historical terms).

This concept became codified into the law of some states in the early 20th century. It was associated with the principle of "invisible blackness" that developed after the long history of racial interaction in the South, which had included the hardening of slavery as a racial caste and later segregation. It is an example of hypodescent, the automatic assignment of children of a mixed union between different socioeconomic or ethnic groups to the group with the lower status, regardless of proportion of ancestry in different groups

Do you have any idea, how many "good old boy fans/employees" are livid.... that NASCAR banned confederate flags this week?

Across the street at Talladega, the best selling items at vendors tents were...confederate flags.

Not to mention that cleaning crews, other team's crews, etc...have access to the garage area.

Quite frankly, it is constant attempts like these by certain folks on ANY incident of racism and where there hasn't been a single post in recognizing racism against blacks...that just proves how badly things still are and needs to be changed.

At least his fellow competitors and other crews...are willing to acknowledge it and support him.

[anothersteve]

What you say holds absolutely no water with me.
Call me anything you want.
I'm good.
Steve

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

What you say holds absolutely no water with me.
Call me anything you want.
I'm good.
Steve

On THAT...I have no doubt.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

While I've known that for quite some time, I'm certainly not going to apologize for using every method available...to learn facts and expand my knowledge and education.

It's hard for me to personally even fathom, anyone being against or trying to denigrate others...for doing the same.

The "State's Rights" that the traitor's mostly cared about...was to own other human beings.


P.S. It's "hate" NOT "heritage"...that's at the core.

Just ask Bubba Wallace, the only black NASCAR driver, who found a noose in his garage...after NASCAR recently banned the confederate flag.

I don't know Bubba Wallace and I feel sorry that he found a noose. I hope someone who was not at all racist didn't put it there to further make a point. I am not black, I can't know how it is to live with the terrible injustices of being treated badly because of my race. I am white and I do understand that the poster known to us as "Time for Change" has all of the feelings and warmth and good connections that we all do with the place of our birth and early life. In Ohio, in School we sang a lot of folk music like "Dixie" and never, ever connected any of it to slavery. When we paint with a broad brush, no matter what it is, we get paint on things we really didn't want to paint.

Anyone can see that some posters are way past being mad. Anyone can see that there are a lot of people who have never harmed another soul who are being chastised for something that isn't their fault. It is so wrong to group people together and think they are all flawed. Two wrongs don't make a right. You shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. I feel a reverse prejudice against all country people from city people here. Hating is wrong no matter who does it. It hurts all people.

[graciegirl]

Are You Being Passive Aggressive? | The Healthy

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Are You Being Passive Aggressive? | The Healthy

Great link.

Education and increasing knowledge is always...a good thing.

[Bay Kid]

Staged. The Wallace troubles are more than likely staged. BLM is a war against whites and Wallace is right there with them.

[TimeForChange]

So it's been ok for 100's of years but not now because of a couple of very wrongful deaths (as a result of not obeying a police officer). I guess reparation for the third generation descendant's of slaves is next. Ancestry.com will love that.

[TimeForChange]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't know Bubba Wallace and I feel sorry that he found a noose. I hope someone who was not at all racist didn't put it there to further make a point. I am not black, I can't know how it is to live with the terrible injustices of being treated badly because of my race. I am white and I do understand that the poster known to us as "Time for Change" has all of the feelings and warmth and good connections that we all do with the place of our birth and early life. In Ohio, in School we sang a lot of folk music like "Dixie" and never, ever connected any of it to slavery. When we paint with a broad brush, no matter what it is, we get paint on things we really didn't want to paint.

Anyone can see that some posters are way past being mad. Anyone can see that there are a lot of people who have never harmed another soul who are being chastised for something that isn't their fault. It is so wrong to group people together and think they are all flawed. Two wrongs don't make a right. You shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. I feel a reverse prejudice against all country people from city people here. Hating is wrong no matter who does it. It hurts all people.

Today I almost feel like 1968 again when I was in Vietnam when both Bobby Kennedy and MLK were killed. My closet friends (other troops) were black. You cannot imagine the hurt I felt for them being half way around the world fighting in a war that hardly anyone but Pres Johnson supported. Some just would not speak to me anymore. Some got very upset and I was afraid of what they would do (fragging). We are way past that level of feeling today. The pure hate across this Country is at a peak. I'm afraid of what may happen and if will ever end without losing (don't want to say).

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

So you must not agree with Germany's laws on not allowing any statues or monuments...for Hitler or the Nazi's?

There is a tour of Germany that takes you to all the sites of the Nazi's and Hitlers locations. Last year I went to Dachau and Eagles Nest. Both tell the story and have photo's of Hitler and others of the time. There are railroad sidings where the trains departed to the camps in various locations in Europe. Eagles Nest is now both histoical and a restaurant. When you stood on the sundeck the photo's showed where hitler stood and Eva Braun sat. The Fuhrerbunker now has tourist signs with photo's and diagrams. Hitlers beer hall putsch tours are always full.Germany is reclaiming their history. We had conversations with the next generation and there is a thirst for knowledge of that period among those we talked to. Statues were destroyed because of the fear that they would be used to further the Nazi movement and start a resurgence. The Germans did not remove statues, the Russians did.

[ColdNoMore]

As I said.

Poke Here

there are no statues of Adolf Hitler or Joseph Goebbels gracing public squares in Berlin, let alone Nazi flags or other Nazi art. Public Nazi imagery was long ago destroyed, and swastikas were long since knocked off the walls of Nazi-era buildings.

The only Nazi imagery you’ll find is in exhibits devoted to understanding the horror of the period.

Which I have no problem with doing here.

Put them in central location so that school children can learn...from the despicable parts of our nation's past.