[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Seriously? It’s a crime to listen to news reports, reading news items and listening to reports from government officials who are interviewed? It’s now a crime to form an opinion regarding information provided to the public? That doesn’t sound like the America of which I am a citizen. That sounds more like Russian control of it’s citizenry. Geezzz

I suppose I just made up the fact that Russia has approached China for weaponry and financing now. Sorry if this all interrupts one’s head-in-the-sand moments.

You are stating military readiness and arms numbers, and that is top secret when it comes to nukes.

Listen to all the news reports you want, talk about all the news reports you want. Those are NOT facts, when it comes to top secret information. If they are, someone has leaked and that is a crime.

That is all I am saying. You are stating your comments as FACT, and either you are leaking classified information, or you are quoting public knowledge - which is not facts.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Thanks, I didn't see any point in just going round and round. People believe what they want to believe, and like often will conflate one story with anything similar.

Yes, the anti-ballistic missile system was a complete waste of money. But, that was ONE thing, not our entire system. Oh well.

I was in undergrad and grad school during the 1980's. Being in the D.C. Area, we had many speakers discussing SDI and what the benefits were of it. S.D.I. was an important part of 1980's soviet - U.S. relations. It can even be said that it played an important role in the ultimate end of the Cold War. The Soviet Union was presented with a system and it's technology that they would not be able to meet financially or technologically.

[airstreamingypsy]

Looking at the horrifying photos from the Ukraine I remember William Marcy's comment, "To the victor goes the spoils."

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

You are stating military readiness and arms numbers, and that is top secret when it comes to nukes.

Listen to all the news reports you want, talk about all the news reports you want. Those are NOT facts, when it comes to top secret information. If they are, someone has leaked and that is a crime.

That is all I am saying. You are stating your comments as FACT, and either you are leaking classified information, or you are quoting public knowledge - which is not facts.

Top secret was never mentioned in my statements. I’m not here to debate cluelessness, if it makes some happy to ignore common knowledge because they’re too lazy to do the research… go with it. I prefer discussions with the aware/enlightened crowd.

[Geodyssey]

Originally Posted by haysus7

Putin already has nuclear weapons in Ukraine. The power plants He already is trying to blow them up

Why would he do that?

And if he's in control of them (he is), why haven't they been blown up?

[Geodyssey]

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[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

I was in undergrad and grad school during the 1980's. Being in the D.C. Area, we had many speakers discussing SDI and what the benefits were of it. S.D.I. was an important part of 1980's soviet - U.S. relations. It can even be said that it played an important role in the ultimate end of the Cold War. The Soviet Union was presented with a system and it's technology that they would not be able to meet financially or technologically.

Yes, the development was the deterrent. But, it never actually worked. Or I should say, I think that is the one that never worked. If it is the anti-ballistic missile system I am thinking of, they tried numerous times over decades to hit a target and misted almost every time.

I may be confusing two systems.

My post was not so much about a specific system, but about posts claiming "facts" about our military readiness. And public knowledge is not "facts" was my point. If someone is actually quoting "facts", that would be a federal offense, since the nukes are all classified top secret. People can try to "glean" information, and can extrapolate and can theorize. But, discussing actual facts around out nukes is off the menu.

And, I may be out of line, but, saying our military will lose in a war against Russia is in my not so humble opinion un-American, especially for a person that can n to possibly have the actual data about military readiness, to make statements like that in what could be a run up to war, seems to be rooting for the other side.

But that is just my opinion.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Top secret was never mentioned in my statements. I’m not here to debate cluelessness, if it makes some happy to ignore common knowledge because they’re too lazy to do the research… go with it. I prefer discussions with the aware/enlightened crowd.

Pleaser enlighten me, please provide us with actual FACTs and not news report. Seriously you really believe you KNOW the state of our military? That is pretty sad.

[mike1946]

Not sure of the exact number but Russia has 6000+ nukes and the USA 5000+ but even the lowly UK with 280 Nukes has enough fire power to make a hell of a mess of the world - if everyone fires everything they've got put your head between your legs and kiss you A** goodbye.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by mike1946

Not sure of the exact number but Russia has 6000+ nukes and the USA 5000+ but even the lowly UK with 280 Nukes has enough fire power to make a hell of a mess of the world - if everyone fires everything they've got put your head between your legs and kiss you A** goodbye.

Well said, we both have more than enough to bring about nuke winter. And, we, the public, only have general numbers and no idea of readiness, or accuracy, or much of anything.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by mike1946

Not sure of the exact number but Russia has 6000+ nukes and the USA 5000+ but even the lowly UK with 280 Nukes has enough fire power to make a hell of a mess of the world - if everyone fires everything they've got put your head between your legs and kiss you A** goodbye.

According to another poster, we can’t possibly have any updated info regarding this info.
Kiss and hug your loved ones every time you walk out the door.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Well said, we both have more than enough to bring about nuke winter. And, we, the public, only have general numbers and no idea of readiness, or accuracy, or much of anything.

Yes, as you read earlier in my posts, Russia has more weapons and thank you for the acknowledgment. With the exception of readiness, our exercises were postponed lest we upset Putin, who continued his nuclear exercises on February 19th, 2022. (Per radiofreeeurope)

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

I was in undergrad and grad school during the 1980's. Being in the D.C. Area, we had many speakers discussing SDI and what the benefits were of it. S.D.I. was an important part of 1980's soviet - U.S. relations. It can even be said that it played an important role in the ultimate end of the Cold War. The Soviet Union was presented with a system and it's technology that they would not be able to meet financially or technologically.

The logic and reasoning is transparent and has been demonstrated through history , "If you would have peace prepare for war"( some ancient Roman) It's much easier to spend public funds on things that generate votes and show just how caring and generous a politician you are

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Yes, as you read earlier in my posts, Russia has more weapons and thank you for the acknowledgment. With the exception of readiness, our exercises were postponed lest we upset Putin, who continued his nuclear exercises on February 19th, 2022. (Per radiofreeeurope)

It seems you just have to stat FACTS.

"Russia has more weapons" - you do not KNOW this to be true, if you have FACTS that would be top secret information. I doubt you would share that. They might, they might not.

"Our exercises were postponed lest we upset Putin". You don't KNOW that. You think it, you believe it, it fits your world view. If you have the memo signed by the president stating WHY we did or didn't do something, I am willing to bet you won't share it.

I am NOT saying you are wrong, I am saying you can not have enough information to make the statements as facts. And enough people making those statements aides Putin in what he is doing.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

It seems you just have to stat FACTS.

"Russia has more weapons" - you do not KNOW this to be true, if you have FACTS that would be top secret information. I doubt you would share that. They might, they might not.

"Our exercises were postponed lest we upset Putin". You don't KNOW that. You think it, you believe it, it fits your world view. If you have the memo signed by the president stating WHY we did or didn't do something, I am willing to bet you won't share it.

I am NOT saying you are wrong, I am saying you can not have enough information to make the statements as facts. And enough people making those statements aides Putin in what he is doing.

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Originally Posted by mike1946 View Post
Not sure of the exact number but Russia has 6000+ nukes and the USA 5000+ but even the lowly UK with 280 Nukes has enough fire power to make a hell of a mess of the world - if everyone fires everything they've got put your head between your legs and kiss you A** goodbye.
Well said, we both have more than enough to bring about nuke winter. And, we, the public, only have general numbers and no idea of readiness, or accuracy, or much of anything.




You just AGREED with Mike who provided actual numbers for weapons from Russia and the US. THOSE aren’t my numbers, I didn’t provide numbers.

I provided a source, radiofreeeurope, for the nuclear preparedness of Russia versus the US. Do some research, reading and check in on reliable news sources, the US didn’t perform the latest scheduled exercise lest Putin be upset. It’s not brain surgery.

Us postpones long range missile test amid nuclear tension with Russia. March 2nd 2022 time magazine