[GoodLife]

"We committed to dismantling policing as we know it in the city of Minneapolis and to rebuild with our community a new model of public safety that actually keeps our community safe," Council President Lisa Bender told CNN

"(We need) to listen, especially to our black leaders, to our communities of color, for whom policing is not working and to really let the solutions lie in our community," she said.

Minneapolis police: City Council members announce intent to defund the police department - CNN

Here's a video of Minneapolis destruction during riots, is this what their city council is "listening" to?

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There are small towns that have no police department of their own. They rely on community programs for deterrence, such as education, block watches, food voucher systems and pantries for anyone who needs, shelter for the homeless, and so on. The crime in those areas aren't all that high to begin with, and a community safety program works for them.

But if you go back to the Constitution, you'll see that this system is built right into our country's code of law: Amendment 2A.

The right to a well-armed militia. That doesn't need to be a municipal police department and in fact, it doesn't mean that at all. It refers very specifically to the community itself, working together to create a protection against threats to the community. That can be threats that come from within, or from the government itself.

The well-armed militia is free of the government. It is NOT part of the government. This is intentional - so that in case the government becomes tyrannical, fascist, or begins attacking citizens who are *not* violating any laws at the time of the attack, the well-armed militia can stand up against the government and put them back in their place. Their place is - serving the citizens. Period.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There are small towns that have no police department of their own. They rely on community programs for deterrence, such as education, block watches, food voucher systems and pantries for anyone who needs, shelter for the homeless, and so on. The crime in those areas aren't all that high to begin with, and a community safety program works for them.

But if you go back to the Constitution, you'll see that this system is built right into our country's code of law: Amendment 2A.

The right to a well-armed militia. That doesn't need to be a municipal police department and in fact, it doesn't mean that at all. It refers very specifically to the community itself, working together to create a protection against threats to the community. That can be threats that come from within, or from the government itself.

The well-armed militia is free of the government. It is NOT part of the government. This is intentional - so that in case the government becomes tyrannical, fascist, or begins attacking citizens who are *not* violating any laws at the time of the attack, the well-armed militia can stand up against the government and put them back in their place. Their place is - serving the citizens. Period.

So if the well armed militia was present during the riots, you are okay with them mowing down the looters and arsonists with AR 15s? I think we should think that over before implementation.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There are small towns that have no police department of their own. They rely on community programs for deterrence, such as education, block watches, food voucher systems and pantries for anyone who needs, shelter for the homeless, and so on. The crime in those areas aren't all that high to begin with, and a community safety program works for them.

But if you go back to the Constitution, you'll see that this system is built right into our country's code of law: Amendment 2A.

The right to a well-armed militia. That doesn't need to be a municipal police department and in fact, it doesn't mean that at all. It refers very specifically to the community itself, working together to create a protection against threats to the community. That can be threats that come from within, or from the government itself.

The well-armed militia is free of the government. It is NOT part of the government. This is intentional - so that in case the government becomes tyrannical, fascist, or begins attacking citizens who are *not* violating any laws at the time of the attack, the well-armed militia can stand up against the government and put them back in their place. Their place is - serving the citizens. Period.

Yep. That will work well in Chicago.

[PennBF]

I am honestly interested as to how essentially firing the police and developing a new system of civil control will fix the Black victim problem? Since the basis for these protests are predicated on a victim mentality and decades of providing public housing and financial give away programs has not worked? I believe the recovery program for blacks that have been mistreated for decades by taking away the dignity of the family by providing everything free to settle our conscience has been a dismal failure. It has led to fathers leaving their family and mothers left to raise the children. It has led to families having more children in order to get more free government support. One bad step that was made was not to build into a support program the basic need for dignity. That's another way of providing a "give away program" without requiring employment and work. Going back to Roosevelt he at least built a WPA program and had the disadvantaged work which protected their
rights for dignity and at the same time provided meaningful support for the communities they worked in. Give away programs do not work. The quicker we recognize that the better it will be! We almost have to start from a ground "0" because there essentially are no programs in place to provide and demand work for a fair days wages. Lets go to things that work and not try to bring order to communities using the same old failure methods. We need
infrastructure fixed including bridges, roads, dams, railroads, etc etc. lets create jobs and employment opportunities for the disadvantage and pay them well for their work but restrict give away programs to the citizens that are truly unable to
work! This practice and programs my start a new way of helping and protecting our land and people.

[Stu from NYC]

This might be the dumbest idea I have ever heard.

I bet the looters are all for it.

[billethkid]

I would like to hear what the advantages are of having no police department/organization.

Because rioters and sign holders and special interests say so does not count.

And I would also like to hear from those recommending eliminating the police, who to call in a life threatening emergency.

I am not looking to be convinced.

I just want to see when the "how stupid is this" light bulb goes on!!!

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov

This might be the dumbest idea I have ever heard.

I bet the looters are all for it.

I can see it all now. Well armed Black Panthers will stand guard at street corners protecting the citizen crack dealers from the fascist government Nazis.

[ColdNoMore]

I'm going to wait until I hear more.

Totally abandoning an organized method to protect citizens...will never work.

Unlike so many with their easily predictable knee-jerk reactions based on incomplete data however, I will wait to comment/judge...until after I hear more about the alternative proposal(s) are explained and fleshed out.

[PennBF]

To describe a program a little more. There was an area in New York City that was mainly poor, uprising on a constant basis and dangerous to live in. A major corporation set up a manufacturing plant in the center of where the violence was
occurring and mandated that only people from the neighborhood could be hired including Management positions. The corporation also sent 5 of the Managers in this plant to meet with 5 managers from a regular manufacturing location to exchange ideas and to understand each others problems and solutions. The employees of the NY Plant ended up to be fine and dedicated employees and members of the community. They were being respected and they were not rioting and had dignity. This is a true story and the kind of practices that can be employed on a broad basis and start to reduce the violence we currently live under?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

I can see it all now. Well armed Black Panthers will stand guard at street corners protecting the citizen crack dealers from the fascist government Nazis.

Could happen. Hopefully the voters of Minneapolis will replace their city council at their first opportunity.

Wonder how recall would work?

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov

Could happen. Hopefully the voters of Minneapolis will replace their city council at their first opportunity.

Wonder how recall would work?

I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. The idiots elected them to those positions and have repeatedly reelected them. Proves 100% the adage "stupid is as stupid does".

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. The idiots elected them to those positions and have repeatedly reelected them. Proves 100% the adage "stupid is as stupid does".

If and when life in the city turns to a disaster change will be forced upon them.

I do not understand the leaders in the city agreeing to this. Incredibly foolish.

[Taltarzac725]

This seems ill-conceived at first glance.

I will have to wait and see about the details.

I never liked pandering to a mob whatever their make up is.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

This seems ill-conceived at first glance.

I will have to wait and see about the details.

I never liked pandering to a mob whatever their make up is.

Remember last week when you told us nobody was advocating defunding Police?