[bp243]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Everyday babies are born with genitals that can not be identified as male or female.

Everyday babies are born with genitals of both sexes.

Everyday babies are born with genitals that do not match their genes.

Everyday children are born with genes that do not define “normal” sexual orientation- ie. they don’t have the standard two genes, X and Y combination,

These babies have to grow up in a world full of cruel hateful people.

Thanks for your response to bring some real science and true empathy to this complicated issue.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Where did I say that? I did not. How do you spell red herring?

Well you did say this;

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

If you believe those Old Testament words "WRITTEN BY HUMANS" are actually the word of God, fine.

So taken in context, since the Old and New Testaments were "written by humans", what they say is not the Word of God?
If that's not what you meant you should choose your words more carefully.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Everyday babies are born with genitals that can not be identified as male or female.

Everyday babies are born with genitals of both sexes.

Everyday babies are born with genitals that do not match their genes.

Everyday children are born with genes that do not define “normal” sexual orientation- ie. they don’t have the standard two genes, X and Y combination,

These babies have to grow up in a world full of cruel hateful people.

What's this got to do with those that choose transgender as well as those transgenders that enter into sports? There is quite a bit of difference of "born with..." and those that chose to mutilate what they were born with, on the basis that they wish to be a different gender.
This whole thread is based on transgenders in sports, not the morality of sex change or homosexuality. No one is being "hateful" on here. They just do not agree with others, therefore have their own opinion. Hateful seems to be often misused lately.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Just because a poster does not condones transgenders in competition, whether in their birth gender or the opposite, does not mean those persons "HATE." I believe that to insinuate such is insulting and immediately puts a halt on the conversation.

Oh ya? Here is a direct quote from this thread: "yeah, we hate them.. And putting quotations around 'people' is simply dehumanizing them as people who commit those atrocities don't deserve the title of 'human'..."

As for "insinuating" that hatred is implied when using a slur like freak, such an insinuation is no different than when using "hebe" for jew, the N word for a person of color, "beaner" for Latino, "homo" for gay, "fatso" for the obese, etc.

I'm going to anticipate that you (or someone) will argue that those epithets do not necessarily imply hatred, per se. OK, maybe, but it's indisputable they are condescending at the very least. And again, while we have a right to be condescending or even hateful, we will be scorned by a civilized society.

[sjeffries]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Everyday babies are born with genitals that can not be identified as male or female.

Everyday babies are born with genitals of both sexes.

Everyday babies are born with genitals that do not match their genes.

Everyday children are born with genes that do not define “normal” sexual orientation- ie. they don’t have the standard two genes, X and Y combination,

These babies have to grow up in a world full of cruel hateful people.

Thank you for your list of “abnormalities” that do occur.

Unless you’ve had a personal experience with with someone as you’ve stated, you cannot criticize fairly or with any basic knowledge of the issue.

Society used to shun left-handed people, or people with epilepsy. Grow up and acknowledge this malady exists.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by sjeffries

Thank you for your list of “abnormalities” that do occur.

Unless you’ve had a personal experience with with someone as you’ve stated, you cannot criticize fairly or with any basic knowledge of the issue.

Society used to shun left-handed people, or people with epilepsy. Grow up and acknowledge this malady exists.

We know they exist, that isn’t the point which is total distortion of fair play for the LPGA. The answer is to develop competitions between transgender participators. Now we’re talking about equality!

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by stanley

Well you did say this;



So taken in context, since the Old and New Testaments were "written by humans", what they say is not the Word of God?
If that's not what you meant you should choose your words more carefully.

Oh come on. It's a fact they were written by humans! That doesn't mean the message didn't necessarily come from God.

I chose the words "written by humans" purposely to allow for the possibility that they were changed or enhanced. Saying it's "fine" if you believe they are the literal word of God allows for the possibility they are the unvarnished truth.

I respect everyone's take on religion and spirituality, but this getting into the weeds is not suitable for this forum, in my opinion. We can pick apart each others words for hours, as has been going on since religion first appeared.

That said, I can't help but notice you've dodged the key question twice: "So does that mean we can ignore Jesus' admonition not to judge?"

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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Well, the landscape of Mens/Womens pro sports has a challenge, perhaps not totally new, but certainly will escalate in the future.

NEWS>>>
So much for fairness: Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA

Last week, Hailey Davidson, a transgender woman, won her first professional title in Florida, topping LPGA player Perrine Delacour for the win.

The same day, she was sent an email by the USGA saying she’s met the organization’s Gender Policy eligibility criteria and can now compete in its championships and she’s hoping to hear similar news from the LPGA via a reciprocity agreement, according to Golfweek.

In January, Ms. Davidson underwent gender reassignment surgery, and she’s been undergoing hormone treatments since 2015. Since transitioning, Ms. Davidson said she hits shorter and swings slower — yet she still was born a man, and obviously, has a physical advantage over biological women.

The science in these cases is clear. Biological men have more muscle mass, larger hearts and lungs, and therefore greater stamina than biological women. Their bones are bigger, and their testosterone helps promote muscle memory — that doesn’t go away even after hormone therapy. Therefore, transgender girls have a heightened ability to build strength even after they’ve transitioned.


Entire article link (BTW, reported by many sources)>

Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA - Washington Times

Before/After photos>

Where we are and how we got here. We are attempting to accommodate everyone.
It is simply impossible to do.

Many years ago the Russians gave male hormones to their Olympic athletes. It was declared illegal. I recall seeing a follow up article on those women. As I recall there was a high rate of suicide. They could not or had trouble getting pregnant.

I am not religious but I do believe in nature. What we are doing cannot be called by anyone on any side of this issue as being natural.

Jenner, the the public spokes person for transgenders. Was a male Olympic star now a female. HUH? Truth of not, I've read he/she/it prefers women sexually.

Happy transgenders?

[stanley]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

That said, I can't help but notice you've dodged the key question twice: "So does that mean we can ignore Jesus' admonition not to judge?"

Can you prove those were Jesus's words. After all they were written by humans also

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by stanley

Can you prove those were Jesus's words. After all they were written by humans also

I cannot. And you have a point.

Are you saying you believe some of the bible but not all? Or that some of it is the word of God but not all? Just wondering.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

I cannot. And you have a point.

Are you saying you believe some of the bible but not all? Or that some of it is the word of God but not all? Just wondering.

No, no I'm not

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by DAVES

Where we are and how we got here. We are attempting to accommodate everyone.
It is simply impossible to do.

Many years ago the Russians gave male hormones to their Olympic athletes. It was declared illegal. I recall seeing a follow up article on those women. As I recall there was a high rate of suicide. They could not or had trouble getting pregnant.

I am not religious but I do believe in nature. What we are doing cannot be called by anyone on any side of this issue as being natural.

Jenner, the the public spokes person for transgenders. Was a male Olympic star now a female. HUH? Truth of not, I've read he/she/it prefers women sexually.

Happy transgenders?

Does this mean that Jenner is a lesbian? Asking for a friend.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by bp243

Thanks for your response to bring some real science and true empathy to this complicated issue.

I am left handed. The world should all be left handed. Wait, I have a pair of left handed scissors and I can't use them. I force the blades apart due to having lived in the real world.

The world cannot accommodate everyone.

New York City had a plan to put in more public restrooms. As I recall they looked at several. One was being used in France and I think it was the top contender. It never happened reason insistence that they must accommodate people in wheel chairs and then I think blind people. To get a plan that would work would require people in every location to help whatever is the pc word. Result badly needed public restrooms were never put up.

Nothing is or ever will be perfect and yet we demand perfection. Where we are and how we got here.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Does this mean that Jenner is a lesbian? Asking for a friend.

Truth, reality, I do not know, I do not care.
Labels? Jenner is running on the republican ticket in California. Talk about confusing.
I expect, rather than asking here, you could call the campaign office and ask.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by DAVES

Where we are and how we got here. We are attempting to accommodate everyone.
It is simply impossible to do.

Many years ago the Russians gave male hormones to their Olympic athletes. It was declared illegal. I recall seeing a follow up article on those women. As I recall there was a high rate of suicide. They could not or had trouble getting pregnant.

I am not religious but I do believe in nature. What we are doing cannot be called by anyone on any side of this issue as being natural.

Jenner, the the public spokes person for transgenders. Was a male Olympic star now a female. HUH? Truth of not, I've read he/she/it prefers women sexually.

Happy transgenders?

Not quite subject related, but......does that mean Jenner is gay? If Jenner is now female, and Jenner prefers women sexually, it seems to me that would make Jenner homosexual, correct? Just a rhetoric question, which means no answer necessary. But, you have to admit, this makes an interesting point or hypothesis.