[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by stanley

I wasn' t going to take part in this "discussion" but since you brought up God, and Jesus.......

The most commonly cited verse on cross-gender behavior is Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this.

There is more.

If you're looking for an excuse to be disrespectful, I might suggest you keep looking.

I find the best people out there have no trouble practicing common courtesy. That's what they do as members of a civilized society.

[Northwoods]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Everyday babies are born with genitals that can not be identified as male or female.

Everyday babies are born with genitals of both sexes.

Everyday babies are born with genitals that do not match their genes.

Everyday children are born with genes that do not define “normal” sexual orientation- ie. they don’t have the standard two genes, X and Y combination,

These babies have to grow up in a world full of cruel hateful people.

I hear what you are saying.
But if the "men identifying as women" are competing because they can't compete in a male-dominated sport. Then that's just wrong.
If the babies you identify have grown up and want to compete in a women's sport? Well... that's a different situation.
But I think you have to show where the "born as a man" athletes don't have the gene or genitals to identify as a certain sex.

[WesMan]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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Well, the landscape of Mens/Womens pro sports has a challenge, perhaps not totally new, but certainly will escalate in the future.

NEWS>>>
So much for fairness: Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA

Last week, Hailey Davidson, a transgender woman, won her first professional title in Florida, topping LPGA player Perrine Delacour for the win.

The same day, she was sent an email by the USGA saying she’s met the organization’s Gender Policy eligibility criteria and can now compete in its championships and she’s hoping to hear similar news from the LPGA via a reciprocity agreement, according to Golfweek.

In January, Ms. Davidson underwent gender reassignment surgery, and she’s been undergoing hormone treatments since 2015. Since transitioning, Ms. Davidson said she hits shorter and swings slower — yet she still was born a man, and obviously, has a physical advantage over biological women.

The science in these cases is clear. Biological men have more muscle mass, larger hearts and lungs, and therefore greater stamina than biological women. Their bones are bigger, and their testosterone helps promote muscle memory — that doesn’t go away even after hormone therapy. Therefore, transgender girls have a heightened ability to build strength even after they’ve transitioned.


Entire article link (BTW, reported by many sources)>

Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA - Washington Times

Before/After photos>

Not a Ms!!!!!! He should be playing with his real sex!!!

[WesMan]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

When you've gone thru puberty as a male, you've already developed differently than a female.

Bigger, stronger bones and joints, different biomechanics...

That does not change once you've gone thru reassignment surgery. You will forever have that physical advantage.

The golfer being discussed was a competitive male golfer on his college golf team...

His/her (before or after reassignment surgery, lest anyone think I'm using the wrong pronoun) biomechanics will let him/her swing faster, thus hitting the ball farther... Simple kinesiology... You know... Science...

Correct!!!!!

[admiral72]

Golf uses handicaps and different tees to make the match fair at the start. Just create a transgender tee box.

Caitlyn Jenner says you do not need a better putter you need breasts. quote:

The answer is no, my game is still really good. And to be honest, the breasts are really good for putting.'

She explained: 'I used to put a sock under my arm to help keep my arms straight, but now I don’t have to do that any more because I can hold my arms against my breasts, so it’s perfect.’

[drgoofy]

It really isn't that simple. Some babies are born with ambiguous genetalia and the attending physician may make the "wrong call." Sometimes the genetalia may be undeveloped at birth. Uninformed posters shouldn't be so quick to judge and condemn. Put yourself in the place of a parent who loves that child as much as its siblings.

[donfey]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

.
.
Well, the landscape of Mens/Womens pro sports has a challenge, perhaps not totally new, but certainly will escalate in the future.

NEWS>>>
So much for fairness: Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA

Last week, Hailey Davidson, a transgender woman, won her first professional title in Florida, topping LPGA player Perrine Delacour for the win.

The same day, she was sent an email by the USGA saying she’s met the organization’s Gender Policy eligibility criteria and can now compete in its championships and she’s hoping to hear similar news from the LPGA via a reciprocity agreement, according to Golfweek.

In January, Ms. Davidson underwent gender reassignment surgery, and she’s been undergoing hormone treatments since 2015. Since transitioning, Ms. Davidson said she hits shorter and swings slower — yet she still was born a man, and obviously, has a physical advantage over biological women.

The science in these cases is clear. Biological men have more muscle mass, larger hearts and lungs, and therefore greater stamina than biological women. Their bones are bigger, and their testosterone helps promote muscle memory — that doesn’t go away even after hormone therapy. Therefore, transgender girls have a heightened ability to build strength even after they’ve transitioned.


Entire article link (BTW, reported by many sources)>

Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA - Washington Times

Before/After photos>

A transgender Woman is a MAN. The headline is incorrect. Period.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

If you believe those Old Testament words written by humans are actually the word of God, fine. Does that mean we can ignore Jesus' admonition not to judge?

So you are basically saying nothing in the Bible should be believed because it was written by man?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I have seen body building women who look a lot more like men....

Pharmaceuticals...

[cindyfeh]

Originally Posted by stanley

I wasn' t going to take part in this "discussion" but since you brought up God, and Jesus.......

The most commonly cited verse on cross-gender behavior is Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this.

There is more.

You may want to research the relationship between Jesus and Old Testament Law. Old Testament Law helped to separate the Jewish people for Jesus coming. Jesus came to fulfill the law. The New Testament looks at the heart, and the focus is loving others as ourselves.

[DanBrew]

No, Bill14574, it is very simple. When you are born, you are created with X and Y chromosomes, also known as the sex chromosomes, which determine the biological sex of an individual: females inherit an X chromosome from the father for a XX genotype, while males inherit a Y chromosome from the father for a XY genotype (mothers only pass on X chromosomes). Now, if you want to act as if that science doesn't exist, that is your free will to do that. However, this is not an emotional situation, it is a fact. Please don't impose emotions on others who don't deserve it.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

.
.
Well, the landscape of Mens/Womens pro sports has a challenge, perhaps not totally new, but certainly will escalate in the future.

NEWS>>>
So much for fairness: Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA

Last week, Hailey Davidson, a transgender woman, won her first professional title in Florida, topping LPGA player Perrine Delacour for the win.

The same day, she was sent an email by the USGA saying she’s met the organization’s Gender Policy eligibility criteria and can now compete in its championships and she’s hoping to hear similar news from the LPGA via a reciprocity agreement, according to Golfweek.

In January, Ms. Davidson underwent gender reassignment surgery, and she’s been undergoing hormone treatments since 2015. Since transitioning, Ms. Davidson said she hits shorter and swings slower — yet she still was born a man, and obviously, has a physical advantage over biological women.

The science in these cases is clear. Biological men have more muscle mass, larger hearts and lungs, and therefore greater stamina than biological women. Their bones are bigger, and their testosterone helps promote muscle memory — that doesn’t go away even after hormone therapy. Therefore, transgender girls have a heightened ability to build strength even after they’ve transitioned.


Entire article link (BTW, reported by many sources)>

Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA - Washington Times

Before/After photos>

Biological men being allowed to compete against women is wrong on every possible level.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by stanley

So tell me, how exactly was I, or am I being disrespectful to anyone?
You are putting words in my mouth

I thanked you and I didn't mean to. One of the biggest problems about this whole argument about Sacred Scripture is the literal interpretation of written material that was translated several times as word usage changed over and over.

People who wrote the words lived in a time that was missing a lot of information and science. It appears to me to be something meant to guide and govern and inspire the people who lived at that time.

BUT THAT is a whole 'nuther argument.

I hold with no religion that justifies killing those who do not wish to belong or believe.

And I should not have written that. I know better than to start an argument about religion on here.

I haven't had my coffee.

I shouldn't push send without two cups.

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

I don't either. I live with everyone. But discrimination in this case is required. Has to be.

But men competing in a physical sport against women is simply wrong.

Even if he is wearing a dress.

As far as threats of physical harm?

Do you think it is OK for a man to follow your little girl into the ladies room?

Perfectly said. Everyone is a supporter of everything until it affects them personally. Then they jump up on their soap box and claim discrimination or bias

[DaleDivine]

I didn't see any reference to Michelle Wie playing on the PGA tour. Soooo, why can't men compete on the LPGA tour. Some women want to level the playing field.