[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Caymus

Tesla is building a multi-Billion $ factory in Mexico. UAW made cars won't be able to compete on costs.

Funny how Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mitsubishi, and more which all assemble vehicles in USA not effected isn’t it. Maybe little three needs to use their business model.

Hard to compete with average 5.25 wage in Mexico for auto workers isn’t it.

[Wondering]

Unions made this country. Corporate greed! Union workers' wages haven't kept up with inflation over the past 10 to 15 years. 40% increase of $18 hourly wage only gets them to $25 an hour. Corporate Greed!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by KAM+6

Ford CEO Jim Farley made $21 million in 2022. Sounds fair!!!

Chump change to some CEOs. Notice they never mention gov motors or others isn’t it?

[Pennyt]

Amazing to me that everyone is blaming the union workers for wanting a higher wage, yet no one blinks an eye about the upper management making millions of dollars. The distance between the middle class and upper class continue to widen at an astronomical pace. Remember, unions are why workers get holidays, vacation, pensions and safe work environments.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

For those things listed that the union actually gave us or had a major influence in, I don't want to give up any and I am appreciative of all they they did. But, there are too many wrongs that they have done to list and ask you which ones you support.

Agree IMO why majority of manufacturing flea overseas. Hard to compete with 5.25 or less hourly wage.

When the government made North American trade the forgot to add hourly wage fairness. No fair trade without level field.

[dawabeav]

Big 3 total labor cost are 10% of the total equation. UAW is asking for everything knowing that they will settle for less. Middle class last stand. Retired UAW member here in the Villages,glade I could be here among all the union haters.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by ROCKETMAN

The average employee in the union makes $33.00 per hour about $67000 annually. They want $40.00 per hour which comes out to #80000 annually .

You have a source for this claim or are you just throwing out numbers you've 'heard'? Here's what NBC Business News has to say about UAW wages, "Maximum average hourly wages are $31.77 at Stellantis, $32 at Ford and $32.32 at GM." (Emphasis mine) Why the UAW wants big raises from the '''Big Three''' automakers

Originally Posted by JP

Unions destroyed the Big Three once and it looks like they want to do it again. I'm thinking there is some collusion with management, as usual, since EV's and new cars in general aren't selling and there is an oversupply of both which a strike will help eliminate. I think vehicles, especially EV's are crazily overpriced and the consumer won't be able to pay higher prices for the vehicles that would be necessary with wage increases. Good luck.

Totally one-sided garbage. Management at the Big Three created their own path to 'destruction' by ignoring styling and especially engineering, instead concentrating solely on profits while relying on image and brand-loyalty to maintain their market share. Others, including dealerships and the unions, may share the blame for reduced sales and profit, but dropping this at the feet of the UAW is ridiculous.

[Blackbird45]

There is a simple solution instead of the union getting a raise of any kind which a lot of the posters here seem to have a problem with. Get the CEO to get a pay reduction at the same percent the union gave when the auto makers were in trouble. Let see how fast the CEOs jump on that band wagon. I'm sure it won't be until hell freezes over.

[worcester]

In the mid 1960's I worked at GM in MA as a spot welder. On the welding line was a machine covered in cloth. When I asked my co--workers, what is that? Answer, an automated spot welding machine that the union dictates will not be used so as not to take away a dues paying employee. Soon after, Japanese cars ruled

[worcester]

In the mid 1960's I worked at GM in MA as a spot welder. On the welding line was a machine covered in cloth. When I asked my co--workers, what is that? Answer, an automated spot welding machine that the union dictates will not be used so as not to take away a dues paying employee. Soon after, Japanese cars ruled

[Blackbird45]

Many believe union worker are overpaid and demanding too much, many believe that CEOs compensation is off the charts. As I posted earlier maybe everyone should enter into an agreement of profit sharing. Open up the books for everyone to see. Then negotiate what is considered a fair share for CEOs, workers and let’s not forget the investors. This taken unions and CEOs out of the mix and in the end, investors might come out ahead.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

UPS union settled…auto makers will hve to settle too.

Lol…stupid unions…they will get their raises while management will use AI and robotics to replace all those mindless non-educated union dolts.

Only people that will benefit are the overpaid union officials.

That is a pretty anti-union statement. Unions build up the middle class. A strong middle class makes for a strong Democracy. Historically, after WW2 the US middle class was at its strongest and due, in large part, to manufacturing and a large % of Union workers. US families were confident and stated that the next generation will be better off than the previous one. About 1975, that all changed - families no longer stated that the next generation would be better off. That was about the time that the US middle class began to wither. Unions were circumvented by moving factories 1st to the South, then Mexico, then Vietnam, and finally to China. Union membership kept dropping until a slight comeback recently. From 1975 until about 2010 factory workers and most blue-collar workers got ZERO average wage increases, when cost of living is factored in.
........We managed to make China a powerhouse and a strategic enemy, all for the purpose of eliminating the US middle class so that WEALTH could drift upward to the upper 10 or 15 %. Internal revenue laws and income levels were IMPOSED in about 1990 to maintain the WEALTH in the pockets of the upper 15%. Today the MEGA wealthy dominate US business, society, and government.
.........Is US society more stable today than it was in the 1950s through 1975 after the decimation of unions and the middle class? You-all know that question answers itself. Today we are less stable, more chaotic, and WITHOUT a strong middle class. Most Americans would say that their children will NOT be better off than they are. Meanwhile, China has a larger navy than the US and could flex that muscle at any moment about Taiwan.
.........Did the US middle-class benefit from the outsourcing starting around 1970?
...........Also, why is it that Germany values its UNIONS - and Management and Unions get along patriotically? Germany is doing fine economically. And their union people get off 1 month per year.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by KAM+6

Ford CEO Jim Farley made $21 million in 2022. Sounds fair!!!

Stephen Curry Golden State Warriers $51 million. Sounds Fair!!! Salary has no relationship to the lowest paid Golden State Warrier employee.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Just a matter of time before AI replaces management. AI works for much less than a fortune 500 CEO at 300x the average worker.

A.I. could replace lower or middle management, but 1st A.I. in combination with robotics would replace blue-collar workers. As far as replacing top executives, that is unlikely because once WEALTH moves FROM the middle class TO the Upper class, it does NOT move back except through a war or revolution.
.......If A.I. and robotics decided to eliminate humans (as in MANY Sci-Fi movies) - then ALL bets are off!

[Jima72]

Originally Posted by Caymus

Tesla is building a multi-Billion $ factory in Mexico. UAW made cars won't be able to compete on costs.

My last two vehicles were made in mexico and I drove them for 27 years total..