[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Caymus

Tesla is building a multi-Billion $ factory in Mexico. UAW made cars won't be able to compete on costs.

I believe that I heard that more US cars are made in Mexico than in the US. That may be good for upper management, which gave themselves 40% raises (on top of already BIG salaries) - but is it good for middle America and America in general? I would say.....NOT.
.........Was it NOT Henry Ford who said he wanted to PAY his workers well so that THEY could afford to buy a new Ford? If the US is helping Mexico and the Mexican worker, then maybe we could ask them NICELY to please control the illegal border crossings.
.........Funny how Japan and Toyota can make vehicles profitably here IN the US of A, but we CAN'T. Might have something to do with profit and GREED.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

Amazes me that union uneducated skells think they need more than minumum wage to put a tire on a car.

Just like paying McDonalds burger flippers $15 an hour…oh wait, where did those kiosks come from?

Would most MIT graduates be good at putting a tire on a car?
.......Imagine a society where everyone was a Medical Doctor or a rocket scientist.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

The issues.


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As UAW strike looms, auto workers want 4-day, 32-hour workweek, among other contract demands - CBS News

A 4-day workweek has advantages. It would be good for teachers because it would cut down the costs for school buses. And for auto workers or other factory or office workers, it would decrease the gasoline used to commute and cut pollution. Also, cut down on traffic accidents and slowdowns, which waste gas and waste time.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

This may a long strike.

Ford said that the UAW's proposals would more than double its US labour costs.

And the members 97% of the union's members voted to authorise a strike.

Hard to see common ground there.

They could lower their labor costs by making E-vehicles, which have fewer parts.

[jimjamuser]

They could lower their labor costs by making E-vehicles, which have fewer parts.

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I believe that I heard that more US cars are made in Mexico than in the US. That may be good for upper management, which gave themselves 40% raises (on top of already BIG salaries) - but is it good for middle America and America in general? I would say.....NOT.
.........Was it NOT Henry Ford who said he wanted to PAY his workers well so that THEY could afford to buy a new Ford? If the US is helping Mexico and the Mexican worker, then maybe we could ask them NICELY to please control the illegal border crossings.
.........Funny how Japan and Toyota can make vehicles profitably here IN the US of A, but we CAN'T. Might have something to do with profit and GREED.

Tesla makes a lot of its EVs right here in the USA and makes a very healthy profit. Also huge plants in Shanghai and Germany. And planning more. Not unionized and apparently workers are very busy and happy.

Unfortunately the legacy car firms here in the USA cannot compete easily. Volkswagen and Toyota will be in serious trouble in a few years- laggards in EV tech. Matter of fact all car firms in Japan may be in serious trouble within five years.

Disruption in the auto industry worldwide. Beware when Chinese EV makers sell in the USA. Many are very very good and can undercut others. Just like in the 80s when Japan came to USA. Luckily Tesla will flourish here and other countries.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Zincbemi

When I started at Ford in Dearborn in 1976 there were 1.5 million UAW active members. Today that number stands at about 400,000. You would think by now the union would understand that you need to be a partner to the companies (getting a fair living) and not demand outrageous hourly rate increases (47%) or lower working hours (32 vs 40) for the same pay.

Unions and management work it out well in Germany. Why NOT here?

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Wondering

Unions made this country. Corporate greed! Union workers' wages haven't kept up with inflation over the past 10 to 15 years. 40% increase of $18 hourly wage only gets them to $25 an hour. Corporate Greed!

Please take into account my other posts on this matter. I do not want to repeat them.
1. How many of their own dollars have the unions put at risk, i.e. invested into business and stood the chance of losing?
2. Which workers that are the subject of this thread are making $18 per hour? I did not see anywhere near that figure, but I may have missed it.
3. Corporate Greed. How much of your money do you invest for the purpose of making the lives of the workers better rather than getting a good rate of return?

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Funny how Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mitsubishi, and more which all assemble vehicles in USA not effected isn’t it. Maybe little three needs to use their business model.

Hard to compete with average 5.25 wage in Mexico for auto workers isn’t it.

I am for smaller government and support capitalism. But, I think (without putting time into studying the pros and cons) I am completely in favor of tariffs on those goods that are outsourced to countries and then brought back in for sale when those countries have tariffs on goods being sold there. I believe the American worker deserves for the goverment to provide them with a level playing field within which to compete, not guaranteed outcomes or income.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JP

Unions destroyed the Big Three once and it looks like they want to do it again. I'm thinking there is some collusion with management, as usual, since EV's and new cars in general aren't selling and there is an oversupply of both which a strike will help eliminate. I think vehicles, especially EV's are crazily overpriced and the consumer won't be able to pay higher prices for the vehicles that would be necessary with wage increases. Good luck.

EVs are 8% of new car sales in the US. They are about 20% in Europe.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A 4-day workweek has advantages. It would be good for teachers because it would cut down the costs for school buses. And for auto workers or other factory or office workers, it would decrease the gasoline used to commute and cut pollution. Also, cut down on traffic accidents and slowdowns, which waste gas and waste time.

1.Should they get paid the same for those 4 days as they do for 5? if so, why?
2.Is it better for the students? Quite funny when analyzing education practices, the effect on students (the primary mission of schools) was not mentioned.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

EVs are 8% of new car sales in the US. They are about 20% in Europe.

After you posted this last time, someone else said it had been rising and just reached 6%. Do you have a source?

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

They could lower their labor costs by making E-vehicles, which have fewer parts.

If E-vehicles have fewer parts and labor costs are lower, why are e-vehicles more expensive than the ICE version of the same vehicle?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

I took micro and macro economics in college over 35 years ago, so I remember some and many things sound familiar, but I am far from an expert (or whatever the term is for the next few levels down). From a brief bit of research, I found this:
"The 5 causes of inflation are increase in wages, increase in the price of raw materials, increase in taxes, decline in productivity, increase in money supply."

From my perspective and experience, unions are a negative factor in 4 of the 5 causes.

How then to explain why unions are so popular in Germany?

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Would most MIT graduates be good at putting a tire on a car?
.......Imagine a society where everyone was a Medical Doctor or a rocket scientist.

Imagine a society where the person putting the tire on a car made the same amount as the people who risked their money to build a factory to build the car that the person was putting the tire on with no risk to their money.