[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Unless you've been in that kind of situation or have some training with handguns, you can't understand how difficult it is to hit a moving target even at point blank range.

The officer was wrestling with the guy. The guy was moving all over the place and possible grabbing for the gun. It doesn't take much movement for a bullet to be sent off line.

There were three misses. Some of those four hits may have consisted of scrapes in the arms or legs.

Training says that you keep shooting until the person goes down. I would not have an opinion until I know exactly where the wounds are.

Scrape wounds would not be sufficient for surgery and a Doctor saying it is UNLIKELY that he ever walks again. That is at least 1 shot to the spine.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I could give an answer to that 2 blades question. IF(?), big (IF) (because I could NOT see one, but I will look harder next time it is run on TV) - - - So, assuming a knife in his LEFT hand as he walked slowly around the front of the car, then we see the grabbing of his shirt as he leans forward into the vicinity of his steering wheel, - then, he is shot in the lower back SEVEN times, - then the shock of being shot and his momentum forward would cause him to drop that knife - that ONE knife. So that answers the ONE knife question, not 2 knives..........But, several questions remain. Could or SHOULD (?) he have been shot in the leg or arm? Should he have been kicked in the back of the leg when he was in front of the car? Or shot in the leg at THAT point. After all they ONLY wanted him to STOP walking away S L O W L Y from the POLICE. HOPEFULLY, they were not thinking then at that point that he NEEDED to DIE for just not stopping. So. that would have been a GOOD time to shoot him in the LEG if that felt they HAD to shoot him. What was in their mind at that point we can never know. Most posts here are convinced that the Police side was justified. But, I am suspicious about something not QUITE making sense in the video of this shooting. I wish the Police had the SOUND part of there cameras turned on. Why was it not? That could have made me understand the situation more. I hope that an investigation or a jury trial would straighten that out. But, I fear that the rush to condemn him will WIN the day?????

I can only assume you have no experience with violent confrontations, perhaps movies and TV representations that are just fantasies, If a police officer has reason to use deadly force that is what is called for ,,right now

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Why police shoot so many times to bring down a suspect - CNN

"The "textbook answer" is that officers fire until they've terminated a threat, according to Seth Stoughton, an associate professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law who studies policing.
Officers use deadly force on a suspect they perceive to be an imminent threat of death or bodily harm to the officers or others. In training, police are told to use force until that person no longer presents a threat, Stoughton said."

These threats to police officers, while posts on this forum might indicate to be new and original, have been going on for many years.....well, since any policing began.

We just have to learn not to create chaos, as we are pushed to do.

Protestors are just fine.....riots never ever have been considered anything but lawlessness.

Why posts on here need to jump on one side or another is well beyond me, because who in the world are you speaking to. Even the most energetic protestor you can find will be anti rioting. Why does there even exist a question as to why they exist......they are not always, but mostly from outside agitators yet we never criticize them.

Police need no defense.....someday, we have to discuss this rationally and without creating sides

That was a thoughtful post. Someday, maybe (?) in 15 years, we will have A.I. Robotic police for the beat and human inspectors / investigators. The robots will have NO fear of being themselves harmed so should be able to make good logical decisions in each criminal incident. Until then we are only left with failable humans. What we are working on now is trying to eliminate any systemic biases (as much as possible). That is the problem that we and the media and judges are trying to work out. I believe that because of so many people having cell phone cameras and sound that the problem has become PUSHED to the front of people's consciousness. So, society is grappling with it more today.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

On a more serious note in my reading of various publications about this events a lot of what he is saying jibes with what other reports have come out.

Rather amazing that each one of these people who have been at the hands of the police were not exactly model citizens.

The nba cancels a few nights of games in protest of this fellow who in my opinion from what I have read deserved what he got. Am I supposed to be upset that the protest over this shooting, nope each time I care less and less.

"caring less and less" and NOT paying attention to current events and social trends can / might (?) lead to something no one wants - a fascist Police state. But, hopefully, NOT ?

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by dougjb

What sticks in my mind is this: It pertains to that kid who shot and killed two people.

The photos show that, after the killing, he walked towards the cops by approaching them with his hands raised and his assault weapon swinging from his belt. The cops did not detain him, they did not question him, they did nothing but pass him by.

Has it crossed anyone's mind what the cops would have done, had the kid been a black kid in the same situation?

The same exact thing, let him walk on by.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

I can only assume you have no experience with violent confrontations, perhaps movies and TV representations that are just fantasies, If a police officer has reason to use deadly force that is what is called for ,,right now

That seems like the "quick and dirty, " black and white" answer that is parroted out by Police apologists to shout / proclaim Police innocence. There are GOOD Police and BAD Police and some in-between Police. Obvious situations and nuanced situations. There HAS to be SOME situations by LOGIC alone that are in-between situations and where creative solutions can occur in EVEN in the heat of a quickly developing situation.

I stated in my post NOT just what to do "shoot in the leg" but when to do it "as he was in front of the car". My LYING EYES showed that to me. maybe not for yourself. Regardless, I stand by my opinion and post.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

I can only assume you have no experience with violent confrontations, perhaps movies and TV representations that are just fantasies, If a police officer has reason to use deadly force that is what is called for ,,right now

Plus the bulk of my post talked about why there was, probably, one knife, not two.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That seems like the "quick and dirty, " black and white" answer that is parroted out by Police apologists to shout / proclaim Police innocence. There are GOOD Police and BAD Police and some in-between Police. Obvious situations and nuanced situations. There HAS to be SOME situations by LOGIC alone that are in-between situations and where creative solutions can occur in EVEN in the heat of a quickly developing situation.

I stated in my post NOT just what to do "shoot in the leg" but when to do it "as he was in front of the car". My LYING EYES showed that to me. maybe not for yourself. Regardless, I stand by my opinion and post.

You really have no clue about neutralizing threats in a fluid situation. It appears now the police in the George Floyd incident will be completely exonerated and perhaps sue the Floyd clan of miscreants. The police in the Blake shooting will also be exonerated.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That seems like the "quick and dirty, " black and white" answer that is parroted out by Police apologists to shout / proclaim Police innocence. There are GOOD Police and BAD Police and some in-between Police. Obvious situations and nuanced situations. There HAS to be SOME situations by LOGIC alone that are in-between situations and where creative solutions can occur in EVEN in the heat of a quickly developing situation.

I stated in my post NOT just what to do "shoot in the leg" but when to do it "as he was in front of the car". My LYING EYES showed that to me. maybe not for yourself. Regardless, I stand by my opinion and post.

You have read a few thing into my post that are not there , I made a general statement, quick and dirty? in regards to what? "creative solutions" "shoot in leg" and you think you know when to shoot a person? and I stand by my post , everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, the worth of that opinion depends on knowledge and experience

[Bay Kid]

If the dummy had just done what he was told. This isn't a black or white problem. Just a dummy that has no respect for anything.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by JGVillages

No. He was struggling with this felon who just a few minutes earlier had an officer in a headlock, broke away from being tased, and ran around his car holding a knife then reaching for something inside the driver’s side. Is he supposed to ask him if he’s reaching for a gun then wait to see if he will turn and only shoot him once? The felon refused to submit and resisted with violence. The number of shots does’t matter!

OR~!~...he may have been reaching for a weapon, then use that weapon to take one or all of the kids in the back seat as hostages. all the kids & perp may have been killed in such an escalation, and i can only imagine what the headlines would've said if that happened. 'inept police allow kids to be killed.' damned if you do, damned if you don't. blake was a bad man. period.

[jacksonbrown]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

BLM and Antifa want EXACTLY that. Both are Marxist Totalitarian 5th columns and want nothing more than the destruction and end of the United States.

And, organizations that continue to solicit (extort) donations from major corporations, local businesses and property owners.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Scrape wounds would not be sufficient for surgery and a Doctor saying it is UNLIKELY that he ever walks again. That is at least 1 shot to the spine.

Correct. But where are the other three wounds and where the the other three shots go.

There are a lot of reasons why there were three shots. Some of you are passing judgement without having all of the information.

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

And, organizations that continue to solicit (extort) donations from major corporations, local businesses and property owners.

That’s what’s really bothers me, the ingratitude of major corporations towards the police. Corporations can no longer be counted on to be pro American. As Marx wrote capitalist greed will be the engine of their own demise.

[jj6426]

First of all, in defense of the police, what is wrong with these suspects who don't cooperate with the police? If you're stopped or caught by the police, deal with it. You have no chance otherwise. In defense of the suspect, why shoot him? Why kill him? Why not taser him? Or, in the case of Jacob Blake who was trying to get into his car, why not shoot out his tires? If there is more than one policeman, why can't they grab him and handcuff him? He ( Blake) was stronger than a cop? Than two cops? Although I may be missing something, it seems to me that the cops were just enraged that this guy was fighting them---and they shot him out of anger not as a last means of capturing him. I would love to hear if a policeman agrees with anything I've said.