[holger danske]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

One of the things that is unclear is if he was hit by a taser.

A taser will bring down pretty much anyone except people who are high on meth and similar substances. Some drugs give their users super human strength. If a cop tases a suspect and they don't go down, the cop should be very afraid.

Yeah, I too am interested in what Blake's toxicology report reveals. His actions were clearly not those of a lucid man.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Unless you've been in that kind of situation or have some training with handguns, you can't understand how difficult it is to hit a moving target even at point blank range.

The officer was wrestling with the guy. The guy was moving all over the place and possible grabbing for the gun. It doesn't take much movement for a bullet to be sent off line.

There were three misses. Some of those four hits may have consisted of scrapes in the arms or legs.

Training says that you keep shooting until the person goes down. I would not have an opinion until I know exactly where the wounds are.

And with high doses of adrenaline in the officer from this action hard to shoot straight.

[graciegirl]

This is what I wrote on my Facebook page;
"Sometimes I put up strong posts for a minute or two and then take them down. I had posted one of little children that had signs saying "**** the Police". This issue to me is more than mildly upsetting. If we cannot have a strong police force to protect us, we are indeed lost. This doesn't directly affect me, my family or my friends because they do not break the law. Somewhere off in the ether someone has decided that there should be a movement supposedly that is anti-racist, of course, a very good thing. However it is affecting this country in a very negative way for good reason. While no one was looking, as the information highway roared with life, we all were becoming a lot more aware of racial bias and it was dying. Now that we have this new movement we have a lot of elements of hatred. You can call it anything you want but no one should be taunted for saying ALL LIVES MATTER. They do. We do not CHOOSE to be black or white, straight or gay but we do choose to be nasty and ugly and to act superior. If someone breaks the law, they are WRONG. I am 80 years old and have known a lot of people and I say if you work and save and follow the law, you will have fewer difficulties with everything. The police aren't the problem."

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

This is what I wrote on my Facebook page;
"Sometimes I put up strong posts for a minute or two and then take them down. I had posted one of little children that had signs saying "**** the Police". This issue to me is more than mildly upsetting. If we cannot have a strong police force to protect us, we are indeed lost. This doesn't directly affect me, my family or my friends because they do not break the law. Somewhere off in the ether someone has decided that there should be a movement supposedly that is anti-racist, of course, a very good thing. However it is affecting this country in a very negative way for good reason. While no one was looking, as the information highway roared with life, we all were becoming a lot more aware of racial bias and it was dying. Now that we have this new movement we have a lot of elements of hatred. You can call it anything you want but no one should be taunted for saying ALL LIVES MATTER. They do. We do not CHOOSE to be black or white, straight or gay but we do choose to be nasty and ugly and to act superior. If someone breaks the law, they are WRONG. I am 80 years old and have known a lot of people and I say if you work and save and follow the law, you will have fewer difficulties with everything. The police aren't the problem."

Agreed.

It amazes me that when I write on a fb page that starts with blm, that I think that if blm matters all lives should matter and I get criticized big time for feeling that way.

As a result I do not post on those threads and have unfriended a number of people based on their response.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Agreed.

It amazes me that when I write on a fb page that starts with blm, that I think that if blm matters all lives should matter and I get criticized big time for feeling that way.

As a result I do not post on those threads and have unfriended a number of people based on their response.

My suggestion....just me....

Get off Facebook, and try real reality.

I am pro police..always have been. Skin color means nothing to me.

My opinion...folks on social media are being brainwashed.

What is happening on the streets is not what you are told. A scene shown last week and sent throughout the world was from Spain, but shown as our country.

Agitators are shown as protestors.

Just be careful

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Yesterday, closer to home, Daytona Beach, Volusia County. Officers attempt to serve warrant to a man named Michael Harris who allegedly had shot a woman in the back...

See here;

"He tried to murder these police officers": Suspect killed, officer injured in Daytona Beach shootout

It never fails, some moron family member totally overlooking a criminal record a yard long of violent crimes, and claims the perp was a good father, uncle, cousin, brother, husband, or whatever even after he tries to murder two police officers.

"He belongs to a family who loved him dearly, in spite of his flaws. When it comes to him, what happened to him is wrong," said his cousin Victoria Williams. "I'm not justifying whatever happened and prayers go to his family as well, but regardless my cousin didn't deserve to die."

He brought this upon himself, had he surrendered there would have been no shooting but when he started shooting what were the officer to do? Oh silly me I forgot, they should called for a social worker.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by alwann

Right or wrong, this I don't understand. Why did it take 7 shots, four hits, to subdue this guy? Four hits and yet he survived. Was the officer firing a .22? Was he poorly trained in arms?

Why police shoot so many times to bring down a suspect - CNN

"The "textbook answer" is that officers fire until they've terminated a threat, according to Seth Stoughton, an associate professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law who studies policing.
Officers use deadly force on a suspect they perceive to be an imminent threat of death or bodily harm to the officers or others. In training, police are told to use force until that person no longer presents a threat, Stoughton said."

These threats to police officers, while posts on this forum might indicate to be new and original, have been going on for many years.....well, since any policing began.

We just have to learn not to create chaos, as we are pushed to do.

Protestors are just fine.....riots never ever have been considered anything but lawlessness.

Why posts on here need to jump on one side or another is well beyond me, because who in the world are you speaking to. Even the most energetic protestor you can find will be anti rioting. Why does there even exist a question as to why they exist......they are not always, but mostly from outside agitators yet we never criticize them.

Police need no defense.....someday, we have to discuss this rationally and without creating sides

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Bucco

My suggestion....just me....

Get off Facebook, and try real reality.

I am pro police..always have been. Skin color means nothing to me.

My opinion...folks on social media are being brainwashed.

What is happening on the streets is not what you are told. A scene shown last week and sent throughout the world was from Spain, but shown as our country.

Agitators are shown as protestors.

Just be careful

I generally avoid anything political on fb.

Great way to see pictures of our kids and grandkids that we otherwise would not see.

Also to keep up with friends.

Most of my family is on the opposite end of the political spectrum and do not think my opinion is valid. As a result I will not post any new threads that can be deemed political.

Helps to bring family unity in todays sick world.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

I generally avoid anything political on fb.

Great way to see pictures of our kids and grandkids that we otherwise would not see.

Also to keep up with friends.

Most of my family is on the opposite end of the political spectrum and do not think my opinion is valid. As a result I will not post any new threads that can be deemed political.

Helps to bring family unity in todays sick world.

Everyone says what you are saying. BUT they post on here using the same language and logic presented on Facebook.

What you read there (other than your family) is a recitation of "outside influences". Remember when we were not so easily swayed ? Of course, these are professionals.

Chaos is the game. Pick a side and go after it.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by Bucco

My suggestion....just me....

Get off Facebook, and try real reality.

I am pro police..always have been. Skin color means nothing to me.

My opinion...folks on social media are being brainwashed.

What is happening on the streets is not what you are told. A scene shown last week and sent throughout the world was from Spain, but shown as our country.

Agitators are shown as protestors.

Just be careful

I basically agree with everything you wrote, but would add that TOTV is a form of social media also, so careful what you believe on this site as well.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

I basically agree with everything you wrote, but would add that TOTV is a form of social media also, so careful what you believe on this site as well.

Not to worry about that

Fact is, most posts on here can be traced directly to another social media or a source with direct motives, not necessarily for the good of our country.

Making loud accusations or comments with no credible backup should not be allowed, but it is and is hard to police frankly.

No, social media is almost "devils work" no matter where or what. It is now "a tool" of un-American activities and the sad thing, it is "used" so well that innocents get caught up and do not realize the source or the reason. NOR do they care, frankly.

Most trouble I get into with mods is when I question someone as they spread lies or half truths. Showing scenes and presenting them as in our country when they are from another......accusing a person or group of terrible things with zero credible back up......currentlyi calling agitators...protestors......or similar is terribly wrong and making that call is not always wrong, but NOW it is accepted fact which is what the manipulators of this form of media want....then you are theirs.

[JGVillages]

Originally Posted by alwann

Right or wrong, this I don't understand. Why did it take 7 shots, four hits, to subdue this guy? Four hits and yet he survived. Was the officer firing a .22? Was he poorly trained in arms?

No. He was struggling with this felon who just a few minutes earlier had an officer in a headlock, broke away from being tased, and ran around his car holding a knife then reaching for something inside the driver’s side. Is he supposed to ask him if he’s reaching for a gun then wait to see if he will turn and only shoot him once? The felon refused to submit and resisted with violence. The number of shots does’t matter!

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Mendy

There are at least 2 sides to every story. Hopefully the truth comes out soon.

Updates From Kenosha, Wisconsin Following Jacob Blake Shooting : NPR

Uh, OK. so NPR basically confirms the police report then changes topics and rambles on about this Rittenhouse kid where that story is still in debate. They couldn't stay on topic?

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Is this really you, Bucco? Seems out of character based on your previous posts, but welcome.

Sorry, if I confused.

I have always been pro police. That does not mean I do not question some ndividual decisions. Getting a gun and badge does not make you flawless, nor give you God like qualities. It is a tough job, many times chosen as a career for the wrong reasons.

I have also always been against judging by race ever. Everytime, there is a problem, in this forum, it seems we either are required to simply defame black people or judge the police. I dislike anything based on hate.

Things are simply not that simple. Neither of the options I gave even get close to discussing the problem.

There are factions now that simply want chaos and will do what they can to make it chaotic.

We hear of ANTIFA, and BLM, but these groups are always prepare to hit the road and make sure there is chaos, and looting.

Proud Boys, Boogaloo, grouper army, New Mexico civil army, American Contingency

They are trained, and insure the violence continues.

This does not absolve ANTIFA nor BLM, but folks....we darn well better wake up. Those last groups have some influential backing, and have been so very active in Portland and Kenosha.

The pull to,chaos is working and frankly, I am scared. This is like a junior varsity game.

[Bucco]

Actually one of the groups, Patriot Prayer, received the ultimate in compliments today.

I just wish we could look at all of this and see what it is going to do to this country.

It is already escalated and these groups are now part of the national discourse, and none deserve to be there.