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Pat2015 03-31-2021 06:29 AM
They are not FDA approved as they are being offered only under an emergency authorization which is not the same thing.

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1923723)
The big deal about these vaccines is that they are not FDA approved and there’s no data about long term effects. That’s why some people are opting not to get them at this time which is their right.
Urban legend. The vaccine has been around for over 10 years - it was developed for SARS and MERS. Which is what Covid is a derivative of. Plenty of testing.

golfing eagles 03-31-2021 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Fairway Cruises (Post 1923740)
This is becoming a controversial subject and causing disagreement with friends, neighbors and the family. many are acting like sheep. Sad it has come to this. But the research and good strong information is there for all to find. Truth is never in the media, remember that, it's just not. It's either told with a bias or told (be it TV or the press etc) by many less educated to tell the truth than we are.
There is confusion everywhere you look, even the government (federal and local) tell different stories. You have to decide for yourself when you look at the evidence.
So let me throw in my 10 pennyworth...
The Oxford Astra Zenica Vaccine largely manufactured in the UK and some in Holland is actually and effectively 'gene therapy'. It involves protiens that attach to your gene's before falling away harmlessly. The effect of this is to 'boost' your immune system reaction to fight any virus. The result as has been said by the science, is that you won't get as sick as you otherwise could have and so prevent you from terrible illness, or even in some cases death. Important to note that it has been said the innoculation does not protect you from getting the virus (to do that you would need the vaccine to contain a bit of the virus, like an annual flu shot) It also does not stop you spreading the virus. The pharma companies obtained their own indemnity from adverse side effects, and prosecution as a condition of getting the drug out quickly. It has had little trial, and it is not known how the drug will react on people. Indeed, there are enough stories out there that relate to some serious side effects for the unlucky few. Death being one. The drug is not licenced, and governments are only allowing it's use under emergency covid legislation.
We are told it's a golden ticket out of this wild lockdown life. Many would argue that false, as herd immunity has worked as well in many countries where a vaccine was never used or lockdowns. Finally the virus as we now know by the data is for the most part effecting the over 80's, where most of the deaths and illnesses have come from. Some 98.6% (that number varies) of the population are not seriously effected in any way, and many simply are unaware they have had it. People vulnerable are the aged, overweight or with a precondition (many with preconditions they did not know they had).
So you decide - has this been a huge 'virtual' signal by panicked governements, helped along by agenda's and a desire to use as a means to change laws (remember the patriot act?) or is this just a genuine effort to save the population? History shows us many horrible viruses and plagues existed that populations recovered from without any vaccines, even as recently as SARS. Our immunity needs to be exposed to life's viruses or we would continue to get sick. It's how we build our immunities. Locking us down and hiding can only be dangerous for us, we just get sick when exposed again. Not to mention the issues it casues in mental health, hospitals postponing cancer treaments and many other health issues producing early deaths. It has certainly split and divided us more than ever, which can't be a good thing.
Well you make up your own mind but know the facts first.
Well you make up your own mind but know the facts first.

Yes, you should know the FACTS, but those posted are not them.

The Oxford Astra Zenica Vaccine largely manufactured in the UK and some in Holland is actually and effectively 'gene therapy'.

gene therapy
[jēn ˈTHerəpē]
NOUN
the transplantation of normal genes into cells in place of missing or defective ones in order to correct genetic disorders.

So, none of the VACCINES are "gene therapy"

Important to note that it has been said the innoculation does not protect you from getting the virus (to do that you would need the vaccine to contain a bit of the virus, like an annual flu shot) It also does not stop you spreading the virus.

Again, this MYTH keeps showing up day after day. The whole purpose of a vaccine is to prevent those who have been inoculated from catching and spreading the disease. This MYTH had its origins an a medical article that stated it is unknown whether or not a person who was vaccinated could temporarily acquire enough virus in their nasopharynx to immediately spread it after a cough or sneeze. Barring that unlikely scenario, a vaccinated individual can neither catch the disease or spread it, assuming they are in the 95% that acquired immunity

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bonrich (Post 1923751)
So, as I understand it, if now before the vaccine passport, two of us walk into a store, wearing masks, distancing, one vaccinated, the other not, shop, then leave, following guidelines, all is good. Or both vaccinated, wearing masks, social distancing, shop and leave unscathed. Or both wearing masks, socially distancing, shop, but neither one vaccinated, leave not spreading the virus. In all instances the two parties are following the guidelines set out by the powers to be, and what we have been doing for the past year, what has been gained? Businesses may still require masks to shop or dine, we have been doing the mask thing for so long now, it is easier to get into line, just like wearing seat belts and how hard it was to get used to them, now buckle up automatically.
Now, travel on airlines, that is another animal. What have the airlines been doing now? Has there been outbreaks of COVID with increased air travel that has been traced? It will be interesting to read about the aftermath of Spring Break! Looking for numbers.
Not shopping - travel; air and sea at least. Already been announced that effective in June vaccine will be required to travel to Europe. Until now, with the vaccine in short supply, negative test is required.

Once we hit June, everyone will have had the opportunity to get the vaccine. No vaccine - no travel.

golfing eagles 03-31-2021 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1923764)
Not shopping - travel; air and sea at least. Already been announced that effective in June vaccine will be required to travel to Europe. Until now, with the vaccine in short supply, negative test is required.

Once we hit June, everyone will have had the opportunity to get the vaccine. No vaccine - no travel.
All that proves is that the Europeans remain stupid, and it is highly likely, that as with most bad European ideas, we will follow suit.

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1923754)
They are not FDA approved as they are being offered only under an emergency authorization which is not the same thing.
What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?
An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA authorizes unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.

Once submitted, FDA will evaluate an EUA request and determine whether the relevant statutory criteria are met, taking into account the totality of the scientific evidence about the vaccine that is available to FDA.

Are the COVID-19 vaccines rigorously tested?
Yes. Clinical trials are evaluating investigational COVID-19 vaccines in tens of thousands of study participants to generate the scientific data and other information needed by FDA to determine safety and effectiveness. These clinical trials are being conducted according to the rigorous standards set forth by the FDA.

Source: FDA

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1923729)
I don’t see where something that isn’t even FDA approved can be mandated by any court.
I've responded too many times already. But since you keep spouting the same nonsense, here it is again .. Please read the authorization.

What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?
An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.

Once submitted, FDA will evaluate an EUA request and determine whether the relevant statutory criteria are met, taking into account the totality of the scientific evidence about the vaccine that is available to FDA.

Are the COVID-19 vaccines rigorously tested?
Yes. Clinical trials are evaluating investigational COVID-19 vaccines in tens of thousands of study participants to generate the scientific data and other information needed by FDA to determine safety and effectiveness. These clinical trials are being conducted according to the rigorous standards set forth by the FDA.

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1923767)
All that proves is that the Europeans remain stupid, and it is highly likely, that as with most bad European ideas, we will follow suit.
Most countries will require it - and it is possible that the US may make it impossible to get or renew a passport without getting vaccinated.

Could COVID-19 vaccines become mandatory in the U.S.? | Hub

... the federal government has some ways to get people to vaccinate, imposing it as a condition of getting a passport, for example.....

Will the COVID-19 vaccine be mandatory? What the law says

Uncle Pepe 03-31-2021 06:47 AM
Ww2
 
It seems that the freedoms we have enjoyed for most of our lives has become a burden. I for one do not believe in life without freedom. The idea of "vaccine passports" is not so different than wearing a scarlet letter or a yellow star of David. We take our lives in our hands every day by whatever lifestyle we may enjoy. We drive our cars amongst others whose driving habits put us at risk. We eat food from restaurants that are not checked very often. We go on social media sites without knowing for sure if our identities are fully protected. These are our choices. This is just my opinion.

I don't believe in labeling people for any reason. I follow Christ and the constitution and treat all with love.

mrf6969 03-31-2021 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1923516)
How do you deal with people that have not been vaccinated but have herd immunity or have recovered from COVID 19.. Just testing them once for COVID 19 would not be enough.
If you test them for COVID then you realize that you too must be tested as your not immune from getting COVID in fact you can still be a carrier.

jamorela 03-31-2021 06:49 AM
“ I also favor mandatory vaccination, with those who refuse the vaccine required to pay for all their own medical bills if they get COVID-19 and have to be hospitalized”

Wow! That’s all I can say to that response!

Beyond The Wall 03-31-2021 06:50 AM
And
 
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1923591)
And mandatory vaccination have been upheld several times by the Supreme Court in the interest of public safety.
And the Supreme Court is always right:shrug::shrug:

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 06:50 AM
I'll just say this - nobody is, or intends to, wear a mask at the squares in an effort to protect the anti-vaxxers from contracting the virus.

That is blatantly obvious. If you refuse to get vaccinated, then be prepared for the possible consequences. I saw a friend die from lung cancer at 60. He asked me if I had quit smoking, which I had 20 years earlier. He said he wished he had quit as well.

I couldn't get him to quit, the same way I can't get an anti-vaxxer to get a vaccine.

So, there will be people, anti-vaxxers - on their death beds wishing they'd made different choices in life.

IMHO

Debbraham 03-31-2021 06:58 AM
Vaccine passport
 
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Originally Posted by C. C. Rider (Post 1923520)
The idea of "vaccine passports" is contradictory with what the vaccine advocates contend is true. They contend that people who get the vaccine will be safe from catching and transmitting the virus. If this premise is true, then they should have no worry about being around someone who hasn't had the vaccine. Perhaps the person had the virus and recovered with no problems... in which case, their immunity is probably as good as someone who had the vaccine. Even if they haven't had the virus, the unvaccinated person is the one at greater risk by being there than the vaccinated person, so why should they be prohibited from any public place?
I would like to be able to show a vaccine passport in order to fly back into the country without having to have mandatory test. Seems like if you are vaccinated you shouldn’t have to still have a test.

Swoop 03-31-2021 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1923757)
Urban legend. The vaccine has been around for over 10 years - it was developed for SARS and MERS. Which is what Covid is a derivative of. Plenty of testing.
You need to stop posting this. It is absolutely untrue. There has never been a vaccine for either SARS or MERS. There were attempts to create a vaccine for them, but they were unsuccessful. It is true that both SARS and MERS were Coronaviruses, but it is also true that without a vaccine SARS lasted less than 2 years and the MERS outbreak lasted less than 3 years...

jbrown132 03-31-2021 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1923512)
I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports
In this case I totally support what the Governor says. Every time the government does something like this we give up some of our freedoms. It allows the government to track out movements and infringes on doctor patient confidentiality. What’s next, a flu passport, a polio passport, a measles passport for kids to go to school etc. Enough is enough.

Andyb 03-31-2021 07:14 AM
Wrong, it is an individual issue.

jamorela 03-31-2021 07:14 AM
For those of you who feel no one should be allowed to travel without the vaccine... I got the first shot. Had an allergic reaction (immediate rash on face and arms.). I have had an anaphylactic response to a drug in the past. Three doctors and a nurse recommended that I do not get the second shot because “it is not worth the risk!” So, I didn’t. So, should I not be allowed to do something I love? PS: My cheeks and chin have a permanent rosy color to them since that shot on January 4. It’s like they have been permanently burned.

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Debbraham (Post 1923796)
I would like to be able to show a vaccine passport in order to fly back into the country without having to have mandatory test. Seems like if you are vaccinated you shouldn’t have to still have a test.
agreed!

maggie1 03-31-2021 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1923710)
Masks primarily protect those around the wearer. Since many people have not been able to get the vaccine as of this time, I'll continue to wear a mask indoors in public places out of respect for my fellow humans.

I've had both doses but from what I understand, I can still contract the virus and pass it on to others. Once everyone in the state of Florida that wants to be vaccinated has been, I will stop wearing a mask. At that point, as you say, people have made a choice it is not my responsibility to protect them.
My point, exactly, but then you have the following post by someone who believes the vaccine will change DNA, and is responsible for other maladies.


Originally Posted by Eg_cruz View Post
I am sorry but, I am not one that is jumping on the “Shot that has no long term study band wagon” everyone has the right to choose what the think is best for them. For 20 years I have been leery of vaccines so, to have one without really knowing the true How, What and When is confusing to me. I am a very low risk because of my lifestyle so why should I have to be forced to get something that goes against my beliefs because something may or may not work?

Here’s the big question people have been getting very sick from this shots......has anyone ask Why, it’s not because it has the virus in it so why are some sick for 6-7 days, Why are people getting fevers and nerve pain. Unlike the flu shot where it has the viruses in it the Covid-19 does not so then why (other then egg allergy ) people getting sick? Does that not brother anyone?
I am happy that our governor is not jumping on the crazy vaccine passport.

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jamorela (Post 1923809)
For those of you who feel no one should be allowed to travel without the vaccine... I got the first shot. Had an allergic reaction (immediate rash on face and arms.). I have had an anaphylactic response to a drug in the past. Three doctors and a nurse recommended that I do not get the second shot because “it is not worth the risk!” So, I didn’t. So, should I not be allowed to do something I love? PS: My cheeks and chin have a permanent rosy color to them since that shot on January 4. It’s like they have been permanently burned.
So, they are required to ask you if you've had an anaphylactic response in the past.. If you have, then you get the J&J vaccine. Only the Moderna and Pfizer give that response.

So, you didn't mention that to them when they asked? It is right on the paper they gave you with your card as well..

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jamorela (Post 1923787)
“ I also favor mandatory vaccination, with those who refuse the vaccine required to pay for all their own medical bills if they get COVID-19 and have to be hospitalized”

Wow! That’s all I can say to that response!
Absolutely! You've got a vaccine that mitigates the risk. You should shoulder 100% of the costs. Definately! Otherwise it's people like us busting our tails to send money to the irresponsible liberal states to spend.

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1923798)
You need to stop posting this. It is absolutely untrue. There has never been a vaccine for either SARS or MERS. There were attempts to create a vaccine for them, but they were unsuccessful. It is true that both SARS and MERS were Coronaviruses, but it is also true that without a vaccine SARS lasted less than 2 years and the MERS outbreak lasted less than 3 years...
Coronavirus vaccine development: from SARS and MERS to COVID-19

Coronavirus vaccine development: from SARS and MERS to COVID-19 - PubMed

SusanKD 03-31-2021 07:23 AM
I’m against having to carry a proof vaccination. Next thing you know their will be other restrictions on where we allow to go or do base on government decision not our own.

Bay Kid 03-31-2021 07:23 AM
Don't worry, if you come across the southern border you are free to do whatever. No vaccine or 6' distance necessary, mask maybe if in a group of 6 or less. If sick free medical care. Come on in.

DeeCee Dubya 03-31-2021 07:24 AM
I am much more afraid of the eagerness of citizens all over the world to blindly and unquestionably bow to government bureaucrats than I am of any virus.

Also consider this; if you know anything about biology you’ll know that viruses constantly mutate and adapt to threats ie. Vaccines. And COVID-19 will be no different. So you better get ready for re-vaccinations about every flu season from now on.

This is nothing more than a garden-variety flu virus which many healthcare experts confirm. It has been used as a proxy for government to control every aspect of human life and justify their own parasitic existence. People wake up please.

JMintzer 03-31-2021 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1923598)
Great responses so far but none are getting to the heart of what I intended to be the matter. And that is...in this case conservatives are supporting government regulation. And government regulation is contradictory to their guiding principles.

On the other hand, liberals, who don't mind government regulation and expect a lot of it, ironically are against this proposed government regulation.

The point is there is no black and white. Both sides want the best for our country, but we approach it differently. This is proof we overlap.

This wasn't intended to be about the pros and cons of a vaccine passport, but carry on as you wish.
Um, I do believe you have this completely backwards...

The GOP is against the Vaccine Passport. In fact, DeSantis is passing a law specifically denying it's use in Florida...

Mike193534 03-31-2021 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1923652)
Because wearing a mask doesnt protect the wearer! It protects others from them. This has been explained since the start of the pandemic
I don’t understand this. If I have covid and wear a mask, you don’t have covid and don’t wear a mask is my mask protecting you? If this is true does this mean if I have covid and don’t wear a mask and you don’t have covid and wear a mask the mask is NOT protecting you? How is the mask only keeping covid inside mask but it allows covid to enter a mask? Are these masks one-way?

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1923825)
Don't worry, if you come across the southern border you are free to do whatever. No vaccine or 6' distance necessary, mask maybe if in a group of 6 or less. If sick free medical care. Come on in.
Oh, and if you have kids? In - person schooling! And free T-Shirts that say 'Biden - Let me in!' to send to your family!!

JMintzer 03-31-2021 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1923617)
Vaccine Passport doesn't seem much different than TSA PreCheck, Global Entry or Clear. All their purposes are to get you through a specific point faster, more conveniently and before others without the right paperwork. I'll bet if the government charged $100 for a Vaccine Passport you'd be waiting in line for hours to get one so you can beat the wait to get on a plane or boat or bus. :1rotfl:.
It's not about doing anything "faster"...

It's about being allowed to do something or being denied the very same activity...

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DeeCee Dubya (Post 1923827)

This is nothing more than a garden-variety flu virus
uh..what?

JMintzer 03-31-2021 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1923623)
It's not everyone's liberty and freedom. The vaccine cards ALREADY EXIST. Many international travelers ALREADY have them, for other vaccines. If you want to go THERE, then THOSE PEOPLE THERE want proof that you won't spread a deadly illness in their direction. You're welcome to stay where you are, no one is forcing you to go there. THEY have the freedom to say "you're not invited." So stop trying to jump on their freedom.
"Those people there" don't have a little piece of paper called The Constitution...

THEY can do whatever they like...

JMintzer 03-31-2021 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1923626)
No, we don't "have to" wear masks. He recommends it. But we don't have to. Although businesses might require you to anyway. And here's the fun part: even if Fauci says "you know what - it's time. Everyone remove your masks!" businesses can STILL require that you wear them.

The State of Florida has never mandated masks. Even while Fauci urged everyone to wear them.
Biden is now calling on Governors to re-instate or start a "mask mandate"...

So yeah, he want's us to HAVE to wear masks... For how long? No one knows...

Pat2015 03-31-2021 07:31 AM
“No COVID-19 vaccines have been approved. Approval means the FDA has officially decided that a product is safe and effective for its designated use. The process for approval involves rigorous reviews of all available data on the product and can take several months. They are instead emergency use authorizations that have been issued.”

doodles 03-31-2021 07:33 AM
The bottom line is if the airline, cruise ship, amusement park or office etc require proof of vaccine for you to enter it is their right the same as they have a right to require a mask.

Pat2015 03-31-2021 07:34 AM
I’m not spouting any nonsense by pointing out that the vaccines are not FDA approved but are being offered under an emergency usage authorization. That’s a fact, not nonsense.

jh214 03-31-2021 07:34 AM
Vaccine Passports
 
Funny how the Dems want a vaccine passport, but do not want an ID to vote. How in the world can a person not have an ID? Do they never go to a bank, take a flight, get a hotel, or go to a doctor? You and I both know why they don't want voters to not have to show an ID.

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jmintzer5 (Post 1923836)
"Those people there" don't have a little piece of paper called The Constitution...

THEY can do whatever they like...
And that's why THEY can say NO when you want to travel to THEIR country.

That's the entire point of all this.

Our constitution rights END at our borders. THEIR country, THEIR rules. I do a LOT of international travel - have been doing do for 40 years. So, yeah, you've got to learn that we have to abide by THEIR rules.

If THEY say 'thou must haveth a Vaccine Passport to pass into our lands', then, by God, you'll have one or you'll stay right here.

I get the sentiment, though!

JMintzer 03-31-2021 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoogley (Post 1923665)
Wear the mask
Vaccinated or not
Till the Covid virus is no longer with us.
The fact that you think that this virus will ever go away is hysterical...

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jmintzer5 (Post 1923836)
"Those people there" don't have a little piece of paper called The Constitution...

THEY can do whatever they like...
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmintzer5 (Post 1923833)
It's not about doing anything "faster"...

It's about being allowed to do something or being denied the very same activity...
So, if the airlines mandate it, what then?


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