I don't understand the "wow"
Vaccine is basically proven to prevent, getting covid with hospital stay cost insurance thousands. So why should insurance company pay for the whiners that " don't wanna get it".
Unless you have a medical reason for not getting this vaccine that could prevent......well, I say, you are on your own sister.
Ps...same should go for smokers

Take a look at the Cruise Critic members discussing this very issue. You will get your answer. Go on the Royal Caribbean forum for some very lively discussion. I'm not a Carnival cruiser at all but there is also extremely interesting discussion on that forum too.

Actually, what you are really saying is that you will not be forced to get a vaccine. Isn't that right? The card has nothing to do with it, really. Isn't that right?

And yet in under two years it virtually ceased to exist...
SARS - no vaccine and virtually gone in under two years...
MERS - no vaccine and the outbreak lasted less than 3 years...
SARS & MERS were both Coronaviruses.

So true how you replied. I should have a say what chemical is put into my body without being labeled with a scarlet letter because I choose not to have the vaccine at this time. Our country fought for these freedoms to have them taken away. With all the people vaccinated already the possitive covid count should be going down drastically. If a person chooses to have the vaccine, I respect your decision, that is your right.

So do you also feel the same way about people who are overweight. That causes many complications that require medical care. Should we also include them in your “group”? Just wondering...

Hand raised>>>>>>>>>>>>>>May I answer that? I'm afraid we will not reach herd immunity the safe way with the vaccines. That is my concern. Not afraid for my own health because I feel pretty damn safe at this point.

How did you determine the positions of conservatives and liberals?

I’m with DeSantis we do not need a “passport” to prove we’ve had the vaccine! Carry the card that they give you on completion is enough or take a photo of it!

Oh, trust me...I see the problem, you are right, weight, drug use etc,etc.

But we can't expect our premiums to stay constant while we continue to stretch their bottom line, especially when it only takes a vaccine to avoid, which btw, they are paying for.
So, I guess I'm saying we have to stop this whining and try and turn things around.

We are getting closer & closer to getting microchips in our butts.
The chip could be loaded with the following information:
=Vaccine
=Repub or Demo or Indep
=TV hater or TV lover
=Glass 1/2 full or 1/2 empty person
=Impact Fee care or don't care
=Owner of pooping dog
=Cubs vs Cards
=Golf cart speeder vs 19.9
=Thin crust or Thick crust pizza lover


The list is endless. Then when you approach a person, just read their chip on your phone.


:ho:

It's sad and distressing to see so many refusing to wear masks in public places and refuse to be vaccinated for the common good of all mankind.
This is a new disease that is constantly evolving with variant strains. We're lucky that science has evolved to produce a vaccination so quickly that protects against the original strain that cost so many lives in the U.S. and worldwide.
Will it protect against contracting variants?
Will we need booster shots? Who knows!
I've had both vaccinations but I'll continue to wear a mask in public.

As for vaccination passports, what's the big deal?
If you wish to travel, you'll need one.
Many countries and Caribbean destinations require negative test to enter, a test upon entry, 4 day quarantine with a location tracking app, until negative test returned and testing prior to departure plus wear masks in all public places.
They've worked hard to protect their citizens and their medical and healthcare infrastructures from being overwhelmed. They're going to continue to do so, whether antimaskers and antivaccers like it or not. We are nowhere near herd immunity in the U.S.

Cayman Islands, for instance, is not allowing any airline, yacht, nor cruise ships entry until 80% of their population is vaccinated. Smart move.

DeSantis can gripe all he wants but vaccination passports will be required as they should be whether he or you like it or not.

Desantis
 

Why would anyone support a person who has no regard for your health and well being.

Why would anyone support a person who has no regard for your health and well being.

Nobody is controlling where you go!

Where did you get that idea?

Of course, you may not be able to get a passport or travel internationally or even on an aircraft. You DO have all your freedoms, and other countries have to decide whether to let you in or not. You don't a RIGHT of entry go to a foreign country

Nobody has suggested that. Chill out with the wierdness please...

IMO it should mandatory in United States a Nd to kill two birds with one stone add voter ID to it.

This is something to be asked of citizens of China...the CCP are experts at taking away human rights.

Really wrong

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As far as vaccine cards?

You can buy fake cards for $5 online. That proves nothing...

Businesses and govt forcing a citizen to ingest any chemical, drug or chip is wrong.
When do individuals get their “ inalienable right” to be free.
Govt telling us to drug up is bad , businesses are intolerable

To use a classic conservative phrase; let the market decide
 

I am very surprised by the Governor extending the passport ban to private businesses. The traditional conservative mantra is to let the market decide. If Publix wants to require a vaccination to shop there, shouldn’t the conservative position be to let them. If people stop shopping there, they will remove the requirement, if people feel safer there, their business will increase. Let the market decide.

Forced vaccine passports? This leads the way for IMPLANTING CHIPS!!!

I think it is important that our paid elected people have the ability to not be sheep to their party. That if something conservative does not feel right they are able to Think and change the policies. It is suppose to be for the Well being of ALL the people .Not for can I get reelected... This pandemic has brought firth more than a lifetimes share of pain and frustrations. No matter what political stand how about giving a damn about the people and our lives. Currently the governor wants to groom to be president or at least get reelected as governor. Personally I do not care. I want to see our state get more easily accessible vaccines. Masks and hand washing to continue until hospital care can recuperate from the past year. This pandemic is not over and as long as 50 different political motivated governors do their own thing for their own benefit we all lose.
Would be nice if even for a few months everyone could sacrifice their egos and be on the same page.

Um, read my original post again, jmintzer. The GOP supports the ban on vaccine passports, thereby tolerating the government's interference in the freedom of offices, restaurants and businesses to decide whom they want to serve. This is contrary to conservative principles.

Sorry you misunderstood.

I think you are reading too much in this. Majority of it is purely political to elicit responses just like yours. No brick and mortar business is going to require people to carry a vaccine passport around with this, It is simply a non starter.

However, it is entirely likely that air travel, cruise travel, and most international travel will require the passport.

I'm sure 100 years ago when people were forced to get driver's licenses they had the same reactions!

I've read your prolific posts here on this subject, and you seem to have this notion that the value of a traveler to a destination is all one-sided. In other words, if the destination country lays down some rules and the traveler can't/won't meet them, the only one who loses is the would-be traveler. Really?

So, the business $$ a traveler would spend at the destination mean nothing? The social media (or other) presumably positive comments a traveler would make after an enjoyable trip promoting the destination to friends/relatives/internet mean nothing?

Countries can make whatever rules they want about tourists and protecting their citizens, as is their right. But a complete discussion would acknowledge what they - and the businesses in their respective countries that depend on this tourism - stand to lose, as well.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying one shouldn't get vaccinated (I have). This discussion is about digital vaccination passports.

It's the data, and who has access to it, in my book. We've become so cavalier about sharing personal data. There's very little trust in how government utilizes such.

Here's a snippet from an article about the "New York Excelsior Pass" digital passport:

Just astonishing that people are STILL having to say this a year later.

Show your evidence that conservatives are for this. I disagree.
 

Show your evidence that conservatives are for a vaccine id card. I disagree with your claim.

See what I mean? (Yet?!?)

The government, via DeSantis, is trying to control businesses' freedom to choose whom they serve.

How would you know whether retail establishments wouldn't require these? Do they not already require masking? Why would you think this only a "travel" thing?

This is what NY's Excelsior Pass is meant to do:

(emphasis mine)

My medical status is protected by law. I’m one who wants to keep that protection.

Great comments - I'm more about the leisure traveler. Business travel is a different animal entirely. A long discourse on that is pointless, I suppose since international business will continue regardless of any restrictions on travel. Any business that can be conducted remotely will probably continue after a year of doing so.

However, the leisure traveler will certainly not be spending the $$ in the destination since they won't be there. But I doubt that the impact to the economy will be greater than if unvaccinated travelers show up and then a population center gets a Covid-19 breakout.

So, my assumption is that, at least for the foreseeable future, restricting travel only to those who can unequivocally prove they are inoculated is the safest way to keep any outbreaks from occurring. Everyone is running scared right now...

Some people can't get these experimental vaccines because of health issues, allergies, chemotherapy drugs, etc. IMHO This would create another documentation issue and more regulation.

Yet another misread, God love us! Let's FOCUS!

Read my original post, bfarmer... "Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal" <to ban vaccine passports>. That's the whole point of this thread.

In other words, conservatives are supporting the government interfering with restaurants, offices and other businesses by not letting them have the freedom to choose who they serve. This is contrary to basic conservative ideals.

Sorry you misunderstood.

How can your vacation be ruined by someone getting sick? If you are vaccinated then there is no issue. Stop trying to impose your will on me.

Funny thing, that "freedom to choose whom they serve" notion. You must mean it's ok for a company to enforce a policy such as "we don't serve Englishmen here" or some such, right? That's the "freedom" you're referring to?

I think our governor is being consistent with Republicans restricting government control by opposing Covid passports. He would be supporting government control if he allowed our state to require them.

The observations I made in my original post are common general knowledge and pretty universally accepted political doctrine. You think I would dare stick my neck out on this board if they weren't ironclad? If you disagree, please sing out!