[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by jswirs

Well, conservatives supporting the vaccine ID cards is news to me. I'm conservative, and most of my friends are as well, and none of us support the vaccine ID cards. My guess is that MOST, but not all, conservatives would NOT agree with such a proposal.

Read it again, Jswirs... "Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal" <to ban vaccine passports>. That's the whole point of this thread.

In other words, conservatives are supporting the government interfering with restaurants, offices and other businesses by not letting them have the freedom to choose who they serve. This is contrary to basic conservative ideals.

[lem001]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Puhleeese! The "line is to be drawn" would be at COVID and only COVID which is currently the ONLY international pandemic still spreading worldwide and the only one in 100 years. None of your other examples are even close to what is happening.

In any case, my opinion to the question asked is I don't care either way whether they do or don't. Not really a BFD. All our personal information is available everywhere with just a little effort so this wouldn't matter 1 iota.

and what happens when a new strain is identified - do we go through the same process?

[gidget72]

I like what you had to say..thanks

[SacDQ]

Based on the never ending news we’re told the minority population of color are not stepping up for a vaccine. Forcing vaccine passports will create yet another issue impacting their life’s.

What’s next numbers tattooed on our foreheads

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

How can anyone be a "fan" of DeathSantis?

Oh, I dunno... Maybe because he prioritized protecting the most vulnerable in his state and has a much better outcome than either NY or CA?

[Lisanp@aol.com]

You can choose to get vaccinated or not - do as you choose. However, you will be required to show proof of vaccination to travel internationally (and probably to cruise too). So, even if the "passport" does not gain enough support domestically to come to fruition, it absolutely will internationally (and probably at Disney too). Thus, you may be required to get a vaccine to do something that you want to do - whether you support the vaccine or not. Again, an individual choice - get a vaccine or don't go on that European adventure - your choice. This is NOT new BTW - you are required to get (and show proof of) certain vaccines to enter many countries already! Parents are required to show proof of vaccination to enroll their children in school or camp, and this vaccine will just be one more added to that already long list. I don't understand why this is such a heated and political issue - when your doctor says you need to get your Shingles vaccine or your Pneumococcal vaccine you just go to the front desk to make an appointment...

[MFNOWLIN52]

From what I have read, in the future we are going to need proof of vaccination for travel purposes - especially out of the USA. It is what it is. I'd rather Desantis focus on more serious concerns!

[Buckeye Bleau]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

naw, you are missing the point. Covid, a worldwide pandemic, has killed more people in 12 months than HPV, Flu, Shingles, etc has in 50 years.

And many countries will require it anyway - plus airlines, cruiseships, etc...

Reality is, I'm a fan of the Governor, but this policy - having the vaccine and the passport - is the fastest way to get the world on track

Great point but the facts are a little lacking.

Let us use CDC’s own numbers back in 8/2020. It had been reported that about 165,000 people in the USA expired from COVID-19. CDC admitted that the tabulation criteria were wrong and only about 6% of those were C-19 deaths. The remainder were folks who died and the pathogen was found in their blood. So the number was actually less than 10,000.
Now coupled that with testing that had up to 40% false positives and if further reduces the number. Don’t believe it? Well a week after the inauguration the CDC and the WHO recommended changes in the testing to reduce the number of false positives in the interest of improved accuracy.
You don’t hear much of that in the mass media do you?

You see they are using numbers from an inaccurate testing system and they purposely utilize the wrong words. They should be using “died WITH C-19 in their system” NOT “died FROM C-19”. There is a difference and they know it.
EVEN WITH THE BAD TESTS, 99% of those who contract it, recover, conclusion, we surrendered our freedom, our rights and our economy for something with less than 1% fatality rate AND that is IF you get this 5% contagion pathogen.

The Office of Management & Budget has investigated the CDC reporting anc found ghat they created their own reporting system for C-19 which is a violation of at least two legislative acts and this is why the CDC since late last year has been revising the numbers. But still the media is not covering those releases.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Is that all it means?????

Because all the buzz is that you will be REQUIRED to have one to travel, go to stadiums, restaurants etc---which IMHO is a violation of the first amendment and probably the 4th, 9th, and 10th as well

How about another amendment for upholding the safety and Public Health of citizens during a global pandemic?

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Don't worry, if you come across the southern border you are free to do whatever. No vaccine or 6' distance necessary, mask maybe if in a group of 6 or less. If sick free medical care. Come on in.

Hey Bay, why are you spreading that propaganda and hyperbole here? You've been on TOTV long enough to know 2 things:

1. We talk endlessly about how the media spews misinformation to try to brainwash us.

2. TOTV readers are exceptionally gullible (which might have something to do with how easy it is for the media to brainwash some of us). Some even believe gullible is not in the dictionary, or try to refute it that it is not.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by jamorela

“ I also favor mandatory vaccination, with those who refuse the vaccine required to pay for all their own medical bills if they get COVID-19 and have to be hospitalized”

Wow! That’s all I can say to that response!

I don't understand the "wow"
Vaccine is basically proven to prevent, getting covid with hospital stay cost insurance thousands. So why should insurance company pay for the whiners that " don't wanna get it".
Unless you have a medical reason for not getting this vaccine that could prevent......well, I say, you are on your own sister.
Ps...same should go for smokers

[Alana33]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

The big deal about these vaccines is that they are not FDA approved and there’s no data about long term effects. That’s why some people are opting not to get them at this time which is their right.

FDA Issues Emergency Use Authorization for Third COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

If your protected by the vaccine then why do you care? Apparently you don’t trust it..

Take a look at the Cruise Critic members discussing this very issue. You will get your answer. Go on the Royal Caribbean forum for some very lively discussion. I'm not a Carnival cruiser at all but there is also extremely interesting discussion on that forum too.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

Absolutely agree, I will not be forced to get a vaccine card...never..

Actually, what you are really saying is that you will not be forced to get a vaccine. Isn't that right? The card has nothing to do with it, really. Isn't that right?

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Spanish flu was the last time there was a pandemic and the governments responded similarly, except there never was a vaccine, and millions perished.

And yet in under two years it virtually ceased to exist...
SARS - no vaccine and virtually gone in under two years...
MERS - no vaccine and the outbreak lasted less than 3 years...
SARS & MERS were both Coronaviruses.