[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

Maybe it's you?

Yes, that's been hashed out here already. My phrase "...but they support this proposal..." was apparently ambiguous. Some thought the "proposal" was vaccine passports even though I specified the proposal in question was DeSantis' plan to ban them in the previous paragraph. Nonetheless, I edited the original post for clarity.

[C. C. Rider]

Those who think that businesses are going to turn away customers who don't have proof of having a vaccine are simply wrong about business. We went through an almost identical situation 20+ years ago when Florida made it simple and easy for nearly all law abiding citizens to obtain permits to carry a concealed weapon on them.

Many of the opponents of the law claimed that businesses will simply exercise their right to refuse service to those people carrying firearms. Turns out that they were wrong. Businesses are in business to make money. That means serving the public, and the more customers, the better the business likes it.

Sure, the law prohibits the carrying of firearms in schools, courthouses, and a few places like that. But other than the handful of exceptions provided for in the law, I don't know of any business that refuses service to people legally carrying a concealed weapon where the law does not prohibit the carrying.

Many people carry all the time everywhere they go and no one else even knows about it. It would be the same way with this Vaccine Passport thing. Those who think that their favorite restaurant or little hideaway is going to put up signs and prohibit customers who don't have a vaccine card are simply dreaming. The businesses are not going to turn away customers regardless what you think of it. However, you're still free to leave if you want. You just won't have the right to tell the business whom they can serve and whom they can't.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

I'll just say this - nobody is, or intends to, wear a mask at the squares in an effort to protect the anti-vaxxers from contracting the virus.

That is blatantly obvious. If you refuse to get vaccinated, then be prepared for the possible consequences. I saw a friend die from lung cancer at 60. He asked me if I had quit smoking, which I had 20 years earlier. He said he wished he had quit as well.

I couldn't get him to quit, the same way I can't get an anti-vaxxer to get a vaccine.

So, there will be people, anti-vaxxers - on their death beds wishing they'd made different choices in lif

IMHO

If you continue to drive your vehicle, motorcycle, or continue to cross a busy street, or continue to eat red meat, or go hiking, or rock climbing etc., etc., these people also could be on their death beds, wishing they had made different choices in life. This is called living. If you like living, be prepared for the possible consequences.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by Proveone

Your "information" is incorrect. Where did you get it? The medical experts (not the pillow guy or Scott Atlas, a radiologist) have said that the vaccine effectiveness will protect you from being seriously ill or hospitalized. They state that it is too early to say that people who have contracted Covid 19 will not pass it to someone else. Florida governor (aka Mini Me) as usual doesn't know what he is talking about. How is a vaccine verification card different than having a passport or driver's license?

Because you don't have to have chemicals injected into your body to get a passport, or a driver's license.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Read it again, Jswirs... "Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal" <to ban vaccine passports>. That's the whole point of this thread.

In other words, conservatives are supporting the government interfering with restaurants, offices and other businesses by not letting them have the freedom to choose who they serve. This is contrary to basic conservative ideals.

You are stating that the support of the proposal to ban vac. ID cards is supporting government interference. Not true. To a conservative, supporting the "ban" of vaccine passports is NOT supporting government interference. Quite the opposite, if our Governor were supporting vac. ID cards, this, then would be government interference. Therefore, supporting legislation to ban vac. ID cards is what a conservative would support.
In other words, the proposal to ban vac. ID cards is, in and of itself, conservative, meaning, less government interference. If no one has ID cards, then restaurants, businesses, etc., would not be able to segregate possible patrons thru the use of ID cards. And hopefully, someday, get back to "normal".

[Two Bills]

If everyone had a V tattooed on their forehead, with an information Chip inserted after being vaccinated, there would be no need for passports.
This would save a lot of paper, and trees, which would also stop Climate Change in its tracks.
Win Win!
V and Chip is the way to go!

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Don'tcha just love to debunk those asinine conspiracy theories?

We must have some very young (or forgetful) people on here. The comment that polio just 'disappeared by itself' really threw me for a loop!

Even an anti-vaxxer knows that without the polio vaccine we'd have people everywhere with polio. As well as small pox, rubella, measles, etc....

The whole premise of declining the vaccine I find irresponsible, but to quote virus and disease we've managed to keep under control because of a vaccine?

Yes, at this time, you have the right, here in the US, to refuse the virus. But be prepared for the consequences.

And the argument that " I'm not getting the virus because I'll have herd immunity " is simply asinine. A person doesn't get herd immunity - a herd does - in this case humanity. And how do we get there? Exposure and recovery maybe 10%, but vaccines do all the rest.

So, waiting for herd immunity is an incredibly selfish attitude. Those people are letting everyone else take responsibility for their personal health.

Spock would not approve (another blast form the past - wonder how many will get it?)

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Why has polio disappeared? Because for over 50 years the polio vaccine has been MANDATORY everywhere in the world!

The same with Small Pox, etc....

Are you forgetting how many diseases are gone because of VACCINES?

I guess you missed my sarcasm...

Polio has NOT disappeared... It's making a comeback...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Good point and I believe you are correct (except in the case of religious objection). So why is DeSantis piling on then? If businesses already do NOT have the freedom to decide whom they serve, what's the point of banning a requirement to show proof of vaccination?

Because the new powers that be are trying to use the vaccine passport to usurp what freedoms the people still have...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider

Those who think that businesses are going to turn away customers who don't have proof of having a vaccine are simply wrong about business. We went through an almost identical situation 20+ years ago when Florida made it simple and easy for nearly all law abiding citizens to obtain permits to carry a concealed weapon on them.

Many of the opponents of the law claimed that businesses will simply exercise their right to refuse service to those people carrying firearms. Turns out that they were wrong. Businesses are in business to make money. That means serving the public, and the more customers, the better the business likes it.

Sure, the law prohibits the carrying of firearms in schools, courthouses, and a few places like that. But other than the handful of exceptions provided for in the law, I don't know of any business that refuses service to people legally carrying a concealed weapon where the law does not prohibit the carrying.

Many people carry all the time everywhere they go and no one else even knows about it. It would be the same way with this Vaccine Passport thing. Those who think that their favorite restaurant or little hideaway is going to put up signs and prohibit customers who don't have a vaccine card are simply dreaming. The businesses are not going to turn away customers regardless what you think of it. However, you're still free to leave if you want. You just won't have the right to tell the business whom they can serve and whom they can't.

Costco is the first that comes to mind. They prohibit concealed or open carry...

Now, I agree, if they can't see it, there's not much they'll do, but if you're printing, they can and will ask you to leave.

Good thing is, the only penalty is a possible charge of trespassing...

[golfing eagles]

I don't understand why all the pro-vaccine passport posters are using yellow fever as an example. It has nothing in common with COVID, other than being a virus. Yellow fever is transmitted by mosquitoes, not person to person. The countries that require the vaccination are not interested in YOUR health. Do you think the government of Malawi gives a rat's furry arse if an American dies? They just don't want you to die in their country, possibly on their dime. They would require malaria prophylaxis for the same reason, except it is impossible to enforce. With poliomyelitis making a comeback, why not a passport for that? Far more contagious and deadly than COVID, and while it is primarily transmitted by the fecal-oral route, it can sometimes be respiratory. Besides, ever check out an airplane bathroom or the restrooms at the airport?????

So if you want to be "sure" the person next to you on a plane is COVID free (but even the vaccine doesn't guarantee that), by all means support the "vaccine passport", and give up some of your freedoms, especially when the next step occurs. How about being "sure" the person next to you doesn't have HIV??? Can't get it from sitting next to him? How about a nosebleed? How about a cut from something in the overhead bin? How about coughing up some blood from pneumocystis carinii pneumonitis? To those who want to feel "100% safe", how do you feel about HIV status on your "passport". Then there are dozens more infectious diseases to worry about, all more contagious and deadly than COVID. So please, beware the slippery slope.

[Larchap49]

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider

To expand on what I said above, if an individual feels that they are particularly vulnerable to the virus, then why wouldn't it be THEIR responsibility to stay out of public places or take extra precautions such as double masking in order to protect themselves? Why should someone whose personal risk level from the virus is way less than 1% be prohibited from being in a public place just because some particularly vulnerable person doesn't feel safe?

Shouldn't self protection be the primary responsibility of the individual rather than placing the burden upon society to protect them by giving up their own freedoms?

Wow someone with common sense. What a rare person you are. Thank you!!!!!

[Larchap49]

Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S.

I foresee vaccine passports for more than just covid. Yes, children are required to be vaccinated to enter school, but what about for HPV? Flu? Shingles? I'm sure there's more. Where is the line drawn? No, I'm not a supporter.

Thank you

[MrFlorida]

It's bad enough to have carry my Villages ID around, never mind a paper card saying I have been vaccinated.

[oneclickplus]

All this discussion about vaccines and passports is like arranging chairs on the deck of the titanic. Take a look at this video discussing the use of the vaccine during a pandemic.

vaccine disaster ahead - YouTube

And, if you don't want to watch the whole thing, here's a 90-second clip that summaries it:

clip - YouTube