[BettyInFL]

I would have to agree. I've had Covid (March 2020), I've had the vaccines. Why do I have to continued to be punished? If YOU still feel vulnerable, stay home, mask up, or wear a hazmat suit. Up to you. Not MY problem.

I don't read anywhere in the constitution about a right to 'feel' safe.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I do not agree with you or our governor. Public Health is at the helm of these vaccine passports for a disease that has caused a 100 year global pandemic. Enough is enough with this talk about showing proof of vaccination is infringement on our freedoms. Hogwash!

All my opinion, of course.

I have no problem with "showing". I have a huge problem with making a piece of paper the requirement for travel, dining, stadiums, etc. It has been pointed out that such a system is not "perfect". The problem is that it is so far from "perfect" as to be useless.

[Pat2015]

Is this a serious post? The vaccine is free and there’s nothing racist about it!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Andyw

Today vaccination passport Tomorrow passport to leave your home. Too much government control.

A bit too dramatic. Don'tcha think?

[Lindsyburnsy]

We have to prove certain vaccinations to get children admitted into schools and some colleges, so I'm not sure what the big deal is. Besides, if we want to travel abroad, the other countries may require something to prove COVID 19 Vaccination.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal to ban vaccine passports. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing, and as such, DeSantis is in favor of imposing government regulation.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

500K people died "with" Covid, not "due to" Covid...

But......how many of those people who died with Covid would still be alive today? Think about it. I have.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by BettyInFL

I would have to agree. I've had Covid (March 2020), I've had the vaccines. Why do I have to continued to be punished? If YOU still feel vulnerable, stay home, mask up, or wear a hazmat suit. Up to you. Not MY problem.

I don't read anywhere in the constitution about a right to 'feel' safe.

How does the airport know this? How do they know that you, of all the hundreds of thousands of people trying to catch a plane that day, are the ONE person not wearing a mask, has had COVID and had the vaccine? How do they know that ALL the other passengers in the airport are safe from you? How do they know that you are NOT the next Typhoid Mary?

Answer: some kind of written certified documentation. Such as, hm, oh I don't know - a passport with a stamp on a page showing the date and type of vaccine you had, maybe.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bleau

Great point but the facts are a little lacking.

Let us use CDC’s own numbers back in 8/2020. It had been reported that about 165,000 people in the USA expired from COVID-19. CDC admitted that the tabulation criteria were wrong and only about 6% of those were C-19 deaths. The remainder were folks who died and the pathogen was found in their blood. So the number was actually less than 10,000.
Now coupled that with testing that had up to 40% false positives and if further reduces the number. Don’t believe it? Well a week after the inauguration the CDC and the WHO recommended changes in the testing to reduce the number of false positives in the interest of improved accuracy.
You don’t hear much of that in the mass media do you?

You see they are using numbers from an inaccurate testing system and they purposely utilize the wrong words. They should be using “died WITH C-19 in their system” NOT “died FROM C-19”. There is a difference and they know it.
EVEN WITH THE BAD TESTS, 99% of those who contract it, recover, conclusion, we surrendered our freedom, our rights and our economy for something with less than 1% fatality rate AND that is IF you get this 5% contagion pathogen.

The Office of Management & Budget has investigated the CDC reporting anc found ghat they created their own reporting system for C-19 which is a violation of at least two legislative acts and this is why the CDC since late last year has been revising the numbers. But still the media is not covering those releases.

I have a difficult time buying what you say. What is your response to our overwhelmed health care system in parts of our country? What about those refrigerated trucks that were used as makeshift morgues because morgues had no room? What about the on site make shift hospitals that were popping up in ramp garages and such? These scenarios have NEVER occurred in our lifetimes. I don't give a flying fig for the numbers, the stats and the graphs. They are all skewed and do not have a common denominator for reporting. I saw with my own eyes our health care systems overwhelmed. That was real to me.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

I never said they were unsafe or implied anything I simply corrected the statement that the vaccines are FDA approved, as they are not and that is not “nonsense!”

From the FDA website:

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has authorized three COVID-19 vaccines for emergency use. The vaccines are:

Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine
Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine
Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine (Johnson & Johnson)
Emergency use authorization (EUA) allows these vaccines to be distributed in the U.S. Learn more about EUAs for COVID-19 vaccines from the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER).

Your accusation that the FDA hasn't approved the vaccines IS, in fact, nonsense.

Learn More About COVID-19 Vaccines From the FDA | FDA

[vinnytalk]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal to ban vaccine passports. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing, and as such, DeSantis is in favor of imposing government regulation.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

I think the Governor was only trying to protect your personal info.
If the government wants a passport why didn't they collect the info when you got vaccined , the government gas no records and the gorm you filled out is only at a level and mist likely be discarded.
The only place you will need a vaccine passport is to travel outside the country , and that's good if other countries accept it.
FLA GOVERNOR IS doing one heck of a goid job.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stevesliders

Why would anyone support a person who has no regard for your health and well being.

DeSantis did put seniors first for the vaccine and I appreciate that. Hubby just read a headline to me just now that 80% of seniors in Sumter County have had at least one shot of the vaccine. We can thank DeSantis for that.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MrWilson

Businesses and govt forcing a citizen to ingest any chemical, drug or chip is wrong.
When do individuals get their “ inalienable right” to be free.
Govt telling us to drug up is bad , businesses are intolerable

No one if forcing people to get vaccinated. It is your choice and only your choice. Where are you getting the idea that you are forced to be vaccinated?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick

Funny thing, that "freedom to choose whom they serve" notion. You must mean it's ok for a company to enforce a policy such as "we don't serve Englishmen here" or some such, right? That's the "freedom" you're referring to?

No shirt, no shoes, no service. Get it? Got it? Good!

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

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Your mileage, of course, may vary. (I wonder if the young'uns even know what that means.)

Good Grief, I hope everyone reading this understands that!!

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

How does the airport know this? How do they know that you, of all the hundreds of thousands of people trying to catch a plane that day, are the ONE person not wearing a mask, has had COVID and had the vaccine? How do they know that ALL the other passengers in the airport are safe from you? How do they know that you are NOT the next Typhoid Mary?

Answer: some kind of written certified documentation. Such as, hm, oh I don't know - a passport with a stamp on a page showing the date and type of vaccine you had, maybe.

Brilliantly obvious!