[Northwoods]

Last night in Madison, WI a group of 200 to 300 protesters brought down statues on the grounds of the Capitol.

One of the statues decapitated and dragged into a lake was of Civil War Col. Hans Christian Heg. Heg was an anti-slavery activist and leader of an anti-slave catcher militia in Wisconsin who fought for the Union.

If BLM protesters are vandalizing statues of slave owners, obviously Madison protesters need a history lesson.

Also, Democratic WI State Sen. Tim Carpenter, was assaulted after taking a cellphone video of protesters. "Punched/kicked in the head, neck, ribs," Carpenter tweeted around 4 a.m. "Maybe concussion, socked in left eye is little blurry, sore neck & ribs. 8-10 people attacked me. Innocent people are going to get killed. Stop violence now Plz!"

I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement.

[davem4616]

it stopped being about Mr. Floyd's death and BLM awhile ago...this is now about creating chaos and mindless destruction

but that's just my opinion...and we don't watch the news anymore

[mtdjed]

They are more than protesters. These people you are describing are vandals, hoodlums, looters and criminals. Protesters are OK , but they must obey the law. Once they have crossed over that boundary, they have given up their right to be called a protester. The ones that choose to cross that line ruin any positive work a legitimate protester may have accomplished.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

Or visa versa

Steve

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

They are more than protesters. These people you are describing are vandals, hoodlums, looters and criminals.

You left out thugs;

thug - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

Steve

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

YEP.

[Northwoods]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

So are you saying it's only the white nationals that are throwing bricks and frozen water bottles at police, and looting and burning down businesses? Or are you saying that a few white nationals start the attack and then a bunch of otherwise peaceful, good-intentioned people are lured into joining in the attack?

I guess then it couldn't be that some of the young people who attend the protest are really there to stir the pot, loot so they can get a bunch of free stuff, and burn down businesses?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

So are you saying it's only the white nationals that are throwing bricks and frozen water bottles at police, and looting and burning down businesses? Or are you saying that a few white nationals start the attack and then a bunch of otherwise peaceful, good-intentioned people are lured into joining in the attack?

I guess then it couldn't be that some of the young people who attend the protest are really there to stir the pot, loot so they can get a bunch of free stuff, and burn down businesses?

The fact that the protesting is out of control and they destroy just to destroy means nothing to some people.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

Please show proof that white nationalists are instigating violence in "peaceful BLM protests" Even the SPLC doesn't think that, and you can bet if they could they would.

Don't know what riots you have watched, some of the crowds are almost 100% black, and some of them are not peaceful. There are white Antifa crews working the riots, and many have been arrested. There are also lots of white kids rioting. They seem to specialize in bring down statues.

[Fredman]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

You obviously are not seeing what I see. I think if the members of BLM had jobs there would not be so many protests. I have had it with the protests.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

Pure garbage (Literally). Look at the so called protesters. They do the same thing every time. Cause riots. Don't try to blame it on others. Always giving these folks a pass when they do so much harm . How about the protesters in Seattle? Look at the mess they made. Are these good folks going in to clean up the vandalism they caused? Are they going to pay for the damage they did? They created an Autonomous zone to which they added nothing.

If the Seattle Chaz/Chop experienced started as a protest, it stopped being a protest on the first day. And that is what is happening with all these protests. May be started by some idealist weenie , that can't comprehend that they won't be able to control the agenda and it then leads to mayhem. Sooner or later you have to start blaming the weenies for being so stupid for starting a fire that they can't control.

Now you have innocent elderly women being sucker punched by hoods, homeless people being burned by fireworks, rapes in tents, everyone trying to tear down a statue no matter what all as a result of "protests". Perhaps it is time for those who promote these protests, to step back a say, We have a valid reason for protesting as we have expressed, but as patriotic citizens we are stepping back as we have seen how these protests have been abused. Please show us that our efforts are being recognized and how they will be addressed. We wish to work within the law to resolve these issues.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

So are you saying it's only the white nationals that are throwing bricks and frozen water bottles at police, and looting and burning down businesses? Or are you saying that a few white nationals start the attack and then a bunch of otherwise peaceful, good-intentioned people are lured into joining in the attack?

I guess then it couldn't be that some of the young people who attend the protest are really there to stir the pot, loot so they can get a bunch of free stuff, and burn down businesses?

I guess the word "some" tripped you up a bit. Sorry.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, there are absolutely positively people who show up just to stir the pot. That's kinda what I already posted that you seem to be claiming to disagree with, by saying the same thing using different words.

And sure some of those well-intentioned people will get angry and fight back, if a group of ill-intentioned NON-protesters show up with torches, or sticks, or knives, or KKK patches, or nazi signs, or rifles, or whatever else they do when they show up at these things intending to stir things up.

Personally if it were me, I'd run. But I have no problem admitting to cowardice in the face of violence. I don't have the stomach for it. But in a crowd of people peacefully protesting, when they are faced with violent people who are NOT protesting, moving them closer and closer together (herding them) and manipulating their movements, it's inevitable that at some point - someone is going to start shoving back.

People who show up to stir things up know this. That's why they do it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

Since the actual words I posted were obviously invisible the last time I posted, I am quoting my own post, and bolding and underlining for emphasis.

SOME people..are something.
And THOSE particular people..are something.

Which also means that "SOME OTHER people might also be the same thing but in this particular post, I'm singling out this specific group, that I have chosen to call SOME."

If you really want to know why statues with no ties to racism are being destroyed.

The simple answer is to take away your heroes.

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Another organization to look at is the Sunrise Movement.

I'm not saying they are apart of the blm but some people say they are. A video on YouTube put together by "Planet Humans" claims they are and the video is convincing to me. I have not researched the channel/group or the information they claim.

The title of their video is "Undercover Investigation - Minneapolis Riots Was Planned"

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I do support the ideals of blm but not the violence etc.