[flflowers]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

sorry about putting whole quote back out there..
I am like minded, just don't have the background you have but do my own research. After just finishing watching 9 part document series on covid19 my head is spinning. What I am most disgusted about is the censoring everywhere out there about the truth....general public has no idea what the truth is. Follow the money and control and you will find most of the truths.
The fear that drives the population is very saddening and heartbreaking.
People are trusting in their nature and that has put at a dangerous place we may never recover from, medically, freedom wise, and economically. Very scary place we are all in now.
Wish we could have legitimate conversations. I would love to share with others without being hatefully attacked.....why is it because I have information that you may not feel same about, or believe it truthful it has to be labeled evil, or tin hat....I am reading studies and listening to highly credited and studied professionals that have been for the most part, censored or threatened for speaking out....that does NOT mean they are telling LIES. It's the truth that is being stopped for a bigger agenda.
I have been studying the vaccine controversy for about 10 years now as have a vaccine injured nephew. That being said, I do know who some of the professionals that have been censored over the years, some of them have vaccine injured children, some are pediatricians that saw it in their practices and began to study it themselves, and some are the very researchers and some are the whistleblowers....they have all put their reputations, careers, livelihoods and some even their lives, all of this on the line to get the truths out now and years past.....being censored in every way possible. They all do have websites !
There was a video produced with over 100,000 medical professional from all over the world speaking out against masking, vaccine, lockdowns! where is it? Censored!!!
I will stop now but I have so much to share.

[GoPacers]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

That's only a temporary problem. Once the government sells the control codes to the aliens from the Andromeda galaxy, you'll get the message clearly

OK, I wasn't going to play the "upstage the OP's credentials game", but.......

I was my high school valedictorian
Graduated college with a degree in microbiology, summa cum laude with a 4.0 GPA and a published research paper.
Elected to 3 honor societies (Beta Beta Beta, Delta Tau Alpha and Alpha Epsilon Delta), and then graduated with a 4th from medical school (Alpha Omega Alpha).
Had honors in most of my medical school classes, including EPIDEMIOLOGY and VIROLOGY
Completed residency in Internal Medicine at a University hospital, turned down an offer to be chief resident to get out in the "real world"
Spent 30 years in practice, and served among other things at our local hospital as Chairman of the pharmacy and therapeutics committee, the quality assurance committee and the executive committee. Served as assistant chief of staff then chief of staff. Was also professor of Medicine at the State University of NY medical school. Certified by the National Board of Medical Examiners, The American Board of Internal Medicine, The American Board of Gerontology, and The American Board of Intensive Care Medicine Certified in Advanced Trauma Life Support and was an Advanced Cardiac Life Support instructor.

As someone posted previously, "not bragging, just the facts". I think most will agree these credentials trump an EMT and nurse with PALS certification, so........

GET YOU VACCINE!!!

For some people here you have too many valid credentials to be believable.

The science behind the vaccine is sound. Perfect? No, but sound. People should stop hiding behind ridiculous statements about why the getting the vaccine is "stupid." The only rational response is I DON'T want to and you CAN'T make me. That's your opinion and enough said. Stop trying to convince us with nonsense why your opinion is anything but an opinion.

[Mmhrdh0529]

She is not the only medical excpert who disagrees. I have seen other medical experts disagree with the vaccine. I like to see both sides of an issue and then decide what is best for me.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by GoPacers

For some people here you have too many valid credentials to be believable.

Believe it, many physicians have far more.

The science behind the vaccine is sound. Perfect? No, but sound. People should stop hiding behind ridiculous statements about why the getting the vaccine is "stupid." The only rational response is I DON'T want to and you CAN'T make me. That's your opinion and enough said. Stop trying to convince us with nonsense why your opinion is anything but an opinion.

Were you addressing that to me? If you were, you are quite confused, since I agree with you.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

That's only a temporary problem. Once the government sells the control codes to the aliens from the Andromeda galaxy, you'll get the message clearly

OK, I wasn't going to play the "upstage the OP's credentials game", but.......

I was my high school valedictorian
Graduated college with a degree in microbiology, summa cum laude with a 4.0 GPA and a published research paper.
Elected to 3 honor societies (Beta Beta Beta, Delta Tau Alpha and Alpha Epsilon Delta), and then graduated with a 4th from medical school (Alpha Omega Alpha).
Had honors in most of my medical school classes, including EPIDEMIOLOGY and VIROLOGY
Completed residency in Internal Medicine at a University hospital, turned down an offer to be chief resident to get out in the "real world"
Spent 30 years in practice, and served among other things at our local hospital as Chairman of the pharmacy and therapeutics committee, the quality assurance committee and the executive committee. Served as assistant chief of staff then chief of staff. Was also professor of Medicine at the State University of NY medical school. Certified by the National Board of Medical Examiners, The American Board of Internal Medicine, The American Board of Gerontology, and The American Board of Intensive Care Medicine Certified in Advanced Trauma Life Support and was an Advanced Cardiac Life Support instructor.

As someone posted previously, "not bragging, just the facts". I think most will agree these credentials trump an EMT and nurse with PALS certification, so........

GET YOUR VACCINE!!!

Yes, doctor, I will.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Yes, doctor, I will.

And then you can play "COVID Sonata #17 in A minor" on your piano
(or your hubby can play it)

[Pettys1]

I'm glad someone out there has a brain. An it's really sad that our society has such lack of humanity to wish you an your family harm. That's what's wrong with people. They believe everything the Government an the CDC say but yet look at how many times they've charged there stories. God Bless

[saratogaman]

His "report?" Listen to your doctor not amateurs or pundits.

[Pettys1]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Sooooo, what risky behavior did you partake in for you to have had Covid? I see the people you associate with also partook in risky behavior. Are you proud of that fact? I will not listen to one word you have to say based on your risky behavior. Sorry.

You don't have to have risky behavior. You can go to a Dr office an get sick. So just because someone had Covid don't judge them you know nothing about them just your assumptions

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Mmhrdh0529

She is not the only medical excpert who disagrees. I have seen other medical experts disagree with the vaccine. I like to see both sides of an issue and then decide what is best for me.

Anonymous people on this forum are rather sketchy as to trust implicitly.

[Shoogley]

One person has one life to decide take it or don’t take it. Do your research anyway you like but try not to influence anyone one way or the other. An opinion is yours, if you make it scary lots of people will be intimidated.
Those who are so hesitant after the vaccine manufacturers urged their designers to find something fast, and they obliged by making many sacrifices.
I wonder what the decision would have been if those who died had even a 5 % chance with a vaccine.
I went to stand in line without an appointment and when my turn came, I told them I had heard there were people in the villages who did not want the vaccine. I now have had both vaccines and thank God for the people who made it available so fast.
Make list of the names of people who refuse the vaccine so that tears are not wasted at the funeral.

[flflowers]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

OK, the article you posted says the exact opposite...

Anchor Lester Holt: Should I get the vaccine if I’ve already had Covid?

Dr. John Torres: Most experts say it’s a good idea because they’re not sure how protected you are after recovering.

Lester Holt, the same man that when reporting about a measles outbreak, could not find a child with measles to photograph, so they took a photo of a baby in the arms of a nurse and literally "painted" measles spots on the photo and the ticker tape message "Nurses Battles vaccine myths as measles outbreaks hits 555 cases" !
Lester Holt is also sponsored by pharma company Merck,....and the measles outbreak? almost all the children infected had the measles vaccine..but they didn't tell the public that bit of information

[GoPacers]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Were you addressing that to me? If you were, you are quite confused, since I agree with you.

I was being facetious with my initial comment. And yes, we completely agree.

[HRDave]

I forgot to add that we also went to Walgreens & got a MMR Vaccine (Mumps, Measles & Rubella) as research is showing a direct correlation to the CoVid-19 virus’s lack of impact on children due to their high MMR titers. There was also evidence of this attenuating the severity of CoVid-19 infections of US Navy personnel on ships due to the Navy requiring the MMR vaccine upon enrollment. They too had high MMR titers.
Go vaccines!!!😎

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Ltkor

Before the vaccines were reviewed and received an EUA, a large percentage of the population, including health care workers, were reluctant to receive the vaccine.

Over 90% of the physicians at the hospital I work have elected to receive the 2 vaccine series now that it is available and the initial data reviewed.

Again, everything in life involves risks. Evaluate the vaccine and make the decision about whether to receive it. But, also recognize the risks of not receiving it.

My colleagues, and myself, overwhelmingly have decided the risk/benefit favors receiving the vaccine.

No one is forced to receive the vaccine. Decline if you wish. Others are waiting in line to receive it.

If you decline, hopefully you stay well. If not, those of us that are healthy will provide to the best care possible.

LOL. I do believe you are quoting the wrong person, you wanted the person I had replied to. (Why is this so difficult?) That being said I had my 2nd shot over 2 weeks ago.