[Byte1]

Originally Posted by coalminer

Peaceful protests get you, chastised, berated, and ignored. Ask Colin Kaepernick

CK was an opportunist. He started the "taking a knee" when he knew he was going to be benched and probably traded. The civil rights thing did not even cross his mind at the time. He used the media and they were suckers for taking the bait. Just like they always do. CK is NO hero. He is a leach.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

Nothing is black and white (no reference intended). Real-life is gray. You are correct. There are undercurrents going on that it takes expertise like the FBI to act on those gray areas.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Fredman

You obviously are not seeing what I see. I think if the members of BLM had jobs there would not be so many protests. I have had it with the protests.

Get a job! The answer to all the metaphysical problems of our times.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I guess the word "some" tripped you up a bit. Sorry.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, there are absolutely positively people who show up just to stir the pot. That's kinda what I already posted that you seem to be claiming to disagree with, by saying the same thing using different words.

And sure some of those well-intentioned people will get angry and fight back, if a group of ill-intentioned NON-protesters show up with torches, or sticks, or knives, or KKK patches, or nazi signs, or rifles, or whatever else they do when they show up at these things intending to stir things up.

Personally if it were me, I'd run. But I have no problem admitting to cowardice in the face of violence. I don't have the stomach for it. But in a crowd of people peacefully protesting, when they are faced with violent people who are NOT protesting, moving them closer and closer together (herding them) and manipulating their movements, it's inevitable that at some point - someone is going to start shoving back.

People who show up to stir things up know this. That's why they do it.

Cowardness in the face of violence. That is the "basic fight or flight" instinct. But, do NOT fight wild, crazed mobs. RUN!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009

If you really want to know why statues with no ties to racism are being destroyed.

The simple answer is to take away your heroes.

Training young people to advance your cause is important to transformational change. A company called Momentum can train your staff to increase it's collective power and shift the terrain under policymakers feet.

Momentum Community dot org is their website.

Escalation training to force the question which side are you on?

Active popular support. When people are activated, and refuse to cooperate with justice in massive numbers, they win.

Absorption. Scale up the movement.

Recent clients, BLM, Dream and Occupy Wall Street.

Another organization to look at is the Sunrise Movement.

I'm not saying they are apart of the blm but some people say they are. A video on YouTube put together by "Planet Humans" claims they are and the video is convincing to me. I have not researched the channel/group or the information they claim.

The title of their video is "Undercover Investigation - Minneapolis Riots Was Planned"

Another video to watch if you're interested is from Joe Rogan. The video is Joe Rogan Experience #1494 Bret Weinstein.

I do support the ideals of blm but not the violence etc.

Good knowledgeable post.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Good knowledgeable post.

The post about Momentum is definitely knowledgeable, but it *seems* to be supporting some kind of malevolent conspiracy theory.

Fact is, most well-implemented organizations use companies like Momentum. From politics, activism, and even corporate "team-building" opportunities. It's not nefarious, it's just one of many tools that organizations use to implement their agendas.

The reason that poster even commented about Sunrise was because the founders of the Sunrise movement had training sessions via Momentum. That doesn't mean Momentum is some nefarious shadow-organization secretly changing our world. It just means they're great trainers for people who want to have successful organizations, and those organizers typically use companies like Momentum to train them.

Some organizations use public relations firms. Some use advertising agencies. Some hire mercenaries who have military or paramilitary training. And some use companies like Momentum.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

REAL history includes the "Southern Strategy" and the mass migration of racists and bigots...who switched parties.

For those interested in the truth, folks can educate themselves...by watching this award-winning documentary on NETFLIX.

13TH (educate yourself here)


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It wasn't a "mass migration" at all. It was a small amount that switched parties. This has been a myth or an urban legend for a long time. But, we cannot go further without breaking the rule about political discussion. Suffice it to say that I am not discussing politics, just a small piece of history. The Party of Lincoln has always been Anti-Slavery.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Someone asked how this is happening. The truth is that this is an election year. If this wasn't an election year, all these politicians wouldn't be kissing a$$ and acting like they sympathize with or are on the miscreant's side. These riots would be put down before they ever got started IF this was not an election year. You might as well conserve your ammo and hunker down until after Nov. Until then, these animals will get a free pass.
Personally, I wish there would be a creation of a Black Americans for Civil Defense and Law Enforcement that would march on these lawless scum and put their anarchists posteriors in the dirt. Kind of like the gang in NYC that patrols the subway like a neighborhood watch. Create a constructive Black group like that and I would not only support it but volunteer to assist where I could. If you really want BLtoMatter, then do something CONSTRUCTIVE, not destructive. I have seen a few instances where legit demonstrators chastised the law breakers and ran them away from the protest. But, that has been too little, too late.
Don't expect any politician to stand up to these protesters. Nope, they would be called "racist" and their career ended. Political cowards is a good term to describe them.

What makes you think that there aren't any black people doing something constructive, not destructive? What makes you think there isn't any black leadership organization, or civil service organization comprised primarily of blacks?

These things already exist. You just haven't ever heard of them. Why haven't you? Probably because you never really cared, until just now.

It's okay - I didn't either. I'm not black, and I never cared about white or non-specific civil service organizations either, so not caring about black ones seems pretty reasonable.

Here's the Grand Council of Guardians - which is EXACTLY the thing you are complaining that black people haven't ever done:

About | Grand Council of Guardians

That's just the first one I found. It is specific to New York State. I'm sure there are others all over the country, but I wanted to find at least one, so there it is.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Byte1

It wasn't a "mass migration" at all. It was a small amount that switched parties. This has been a myth or an urban legend for a long time. But, we cannot go further without breaking the rule about political discussion. Suffice it to say that I am not discussing politics, just a small piece of history. The Party of Lincoln has always been Anti-Slavery.

13TH (educate yourself here)

On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 97% based on 93 reviews, with an average rating of 8.78/10.

The site's critical consensus reads, "13th strikes at the heart of America's tangled racial history, offering observations as incendiary as they are calmly controlled."[11] On Metacritic, the film has a score of 83 out of 100, based on 28 critics, indicating "universal acclaim".[12]

[joshgun]

I live in Orange Blossom and I am in the Madison area for the summer. The violent protests Tuesday night were in response to an activists arrest Tuesday afternoon. The activist was following customers in a restaurant patio with s baseball bat over his shoulder and a bullhorn in his hand. He was swearing and calling customers racist. Other shop owners say he had been doing this for about a year. He was on probation for I believe armed robbery. State Street had been a good place to take a nice walk. The shops around 140 mostly have plywood on the windows. Covid 19, the riots, destruction and looting, now a concern for physical safety is going to harm all of Madison for a long time. Oh activist have now told news crews they could not video them.

[nn0wheremann]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

Last night in Madison, WI a group of 200 to 300 protesters brought down statues on the grounds of the Capitol.

One of the statues decapitated and dragged into a lake was of Civil War Col. Hans Christian Heg. Heg was an anti-slavery activist and leader of an anti-slave catcher militia in Wisconsin who fought for the Union.

If BLM protesters are vandalizing statues of slave owners, obviously Madison protesters need a history lesson.

Also, Democratic WI State Sen. Tim Carpenter, was assaulted after taking a cellphone video of protesters. "Punched/kicked in the head, neck, ribs," Carpenter tweeted around 4 a.m. "Maybe concussion, socked in left eye is little blurry, sore neck & ribs. 8-10 people attacked me. Innocent people are going to get killed. Stop violence now Plz!"

I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

The operant phrase is "peaceably to assemble". Protesters are protected. Mobs are not.

[mjpuleo]

well, all i know is that i am now retired, but when i did work many years ago my company took away our Columbus Day holiday and gave us Martin Luther King holiday--what was that all about??

[wamley]

Can we stop calling these people Demonstrators. These are criminal acts, therfore they are criminals. Demonstrators walk streets disrupt traffic and don't assualt the police, cause damage to property, places and things.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

CK was an opportunist. He started the "taking a knee" when he knew he was going to be benched and probably traded. The civil rights thing did not even cross his mind at the time. He used the media and they were suckers for taking the bait. Just like they always do. CK is NO hero. He is a leach.

Very abrasive language. It sounds as if it is at all possible to get into a person's mind to answer Why they believe or DO something. It is NOT possible. And assuming the worst possible motive will NOT breed confidence in someone's opinion.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The post about Momentum is definitely knowledgeable, but it *seems* to be supporting some kind of malevolent conspiracy theory.

Fact is, most well-implemented organizations use companies like Momentum. From politics, activism, and even corporate "team-building" opportunities. It's not nefarious, it's just one of many tools that organizations use to implement their agendas.

The reason that poster even commented about Sunrise was because the founders of the Sunrise movement had training sessions via Momentum. That doesn't mean Momentum is some nefarious shadow-organization secretly changing our world. It just means they're great trainers for people who want to have successful organizations, and those organizers typically use companies like Momentum to train them.

Some organizations use public relations firms. Some use advertising agencies. Some hire mercenaries who have military or paramilitary training. And some use companies like Momentum.

I believe that about Momentum. I just felt the other post was helpful. If it was slanted, I probably read it too fast. Thanks