[JMintzer]

I see 20+ patients/day, 99% of whom are vaccinated...

I've yet to have a single one complain of anything besides a sore arm for a day or two...

[Andyb]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Wish I had a crystal ball but , alas, I do not. Having said that, this article is very encouraging to all those of us who have been vaccinated with a Covid-19 vaccine.......

How Do We Know the COVID-19 Vaccine Won’t Have Long-Term Side Effects?

Interesting that the article mentioned “history suggests that there will be no long effects” when there is no history of this type of “vaccine”.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jbrown132

I don’t buy into this. Did the polio vaccine have long term affects, did the measles vaccine have long term affects etc. etc. the answer is no. The good news is even if it does most of us in TV who have gotten this vaccine are in our 60’s 70’s and 80’s so long term is not that long.

Completely different delivery system. Apples and sledgehammers different. The only similarity is the word vaccine…

[yabbadu]

Will you live long enough to find out????

[rlcooper70]

The stem of the virus is mutating .... will likely require another vaccine .... 35% of vaccinated people can now get the virus ... Gottlieb says it is 1000 more likely to spread than the original. Two minute exposure is enough. Oh well

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I see 20+ patients/day, 99% of whom are vaccinated...

I've yet to have a single one complain of anything besides a sore arm for a day or two...

But hardly “long term”. How may class action suits have be brought against manufacturers of products or drugs years after they were released because of the adverse long term effects? nRMA vaccines haven’t been around long enough to have that data compiled.

[dougawhite]

Vaccine has had the following side effects so far: saved countless lives, allowed thousands of business owners to re-employ their workers, allowed millions of children to play and learn again. Not bad...

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by rlcooper70

The stem of the virus is mutating .... will likely require another vaccine .... 35% of vaccinated people can now get the virus ... Gottlieb says it is 1000 more likely to spread than the original. Two minute exposure is enough. Oh well

All true, but to put it in context, it has a lower death rate - which may be because more children are getting it or it may be less lethal, or it maybe a side effect of so many having the vaccine - the vaccine could reduce the deathless (viral load).

The issue is if we don't reach herd immunity it will continue mutating, and one of those mutations could be more deadly and spread faster.

[Wyseguy]

Even something that was approved in 46 countries (Thalidomide) can cause unexpected consequences. It is very possible this will as well. Probability now is that government and social media czars will censor any knowledge of the consequences.
Each individual must weight the pros and cons and decide for themselves.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Perhaps the IDEA that long term effects might be serious is a reason that giving the unnecessary vaccine to children should be held off a bit until we learn more about said possibility. Just my opinion. After all, the young are hardly even noticing the illness in most cases, so why take the chance that we might harm the next generation needlessly? My children and grandchildren have had covid (most of them). None are opting to get the vaccination right now. Like I have said before, I will not try to encourage or discourage them in any direction.
On the other hand, I have not seen any absolute evidence that the vaccine can/will cause long term side effects. Supposedly, this type of vaccine(?) has been studied for decades. IF there is any future side effects related to this vaccine, I am pretty sure that we (seniors) won't be around long enough to find out. But, do we want to subject our youngest generation to possible side effects if there are no exigent circumstances to warrant vaccinating them? If we are protected, why should we worry about the un-vaxxed infecting us? It's a near impossible chance that they will infect us if we are inoculated.

There are studies showing adverse effects to young men and women. Who knows what we are not being allowed to hear.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jbrown132

I don’t buy into this. Did the polio vaccine have long term affects, did the measles vaccine have long term affects etc. etc. the answer is no. The good news is even if it does most of us in TV who have gotten this vaccine are in our 60’s 70’s and 80’s so long term is not that long.

Here's my take on this so far. Even though I'm in a better position to evaluate the evidence and draw conclusions, I'm totally confused, mainly due to conflicting data/reports.

On one hand, we have been told locally by the Orange County health director that 0 of the last 2000 "new cases" were vaccinated. And nationally, the CDC basically states the same thing by citing a 0.007% breakthrough rate. On the other hand there are the reports of the Yankees, the Olympic athletes, and some pro golfers that have been "cases" at a high percentage even after vaccination. Who is telling the truth????

The next question is: What constitutes a case? Is it merely a positive antigen test without symptoms? If so, is there something about the test that is affected by the vaccination, which after all is mRNA that codes for the spike protein, which is what the test looks for. Measles, mumps, rubella, polio have all been mentioned as vaccines that almost everyone has had. But did we test someone for measles EVERY OTHER DAY after the vaccine???? Of course not, so why are we testing like crazy after this vaccine. If we had tested for those other vaccines, what would the results have been?

While it is cost prohibitive for the general population, why don't we test Olympians and pro athletes for the ANTIBODY? Do it once and forget about it since they are immune if they have the antibody.

[Byte1]

There are about 4,000 species of bees in the U.S. Most bees are harmless, even if they sting you. Should everyone be forced to carry an epipen on them at all times? How many folks receive bee stings per year? How many of those actually die from the bee sting? And yet, almost every year or two we hear on the news of a new species of "killer bee" and all panic starts again.
Before subscribing to the mass hysteria that we continue to be inundated with by the media and politicians, think things out a bit before going off half-cocked.
We cannot know at this time whether or not there will be long term side effects. Most of us received the shots for a reason, many for self preservation and some of us to protect loved ones. It did not matter at the time whether or not there might be side effects. I do not fault those that refused based on their FEAR that there might be side effects. That's why I will not encourage or discourage getting this vaccination. IF the gov starts telling us that the new Delta is dangerous and that we need another shot, I probably will not get it. I see an upcoming election around the corner and I will suspect an alternative motive. Right or wrong in my reasoning, it will be MY choice, not someone else's. I will not accept the premise that we will be wearing masks for the rest of our lives. That is totally unacceptable. If that comes to fruition, then I will demand an investigation as to who might be responsible for this massive use of WMD. There is NO doubt that this pandemic originated in a lab. Accident or not, someone is responsible.
Long term side effects won't matter to most of us. But, how are you going to feel if you push your grandchildren to obtain the vaccination and they later find out that it causes mass sterilization? Just a hypothetical.
Hysteria can cause folks to make hasty and rash choices/decisions with negative results.
Just my opinion.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Wish I had a crystal ball but , alas, I do not. Having said that, this article is very encouraging to all those of us who have been vaccinated with a Covid-19 vaccine.......

How Do We Know the COVID-19 Vaccine Won’t Have Long-Term Side Effects?

We continue to ask for, demand answers to unanswerable questions. Today it is very unlikely that aspirin could be brought to market. Cancer, is not usually caused by one thing it is multiple assaults.

A covid 19 shot, if allows you to live longer will result in the side effects of getting older.

Nothing is perfect, everything has risks. I've yet to see a study on how many people died in a car crash on the way to get a covid vaccine.

Cholesterol is raised by worry. My wife worries. We eat the same diet. My cholesterol is low. Hers is high.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by DAVES

We continue to ask for, demand answers to unanswerable questions. Today it is very unlikely that aspirin could be brought to market. Cancer, is not usually caused by one thing it is multiple assaults.

A covid 19 shot, if allows you to live longer will result in the side effects of getting older.

Nothing is perfect, everything has risks. I've yet to see a study on how many people died in a car crash on the way to get a covid vaccine.

Cholesterol is raised by worry. My wife worries. We eat the same diet. My cholesterol is low. Hers is high.

Agree 98%. However, I would suggest the difference in serum cholesterol is genetic----your hydroxymethylglutrylCoAreductase is less productive than hers.

Originally Posted by Swoop

Completely different delivery system. Apples and sledgehammers different. The only similarity is the word vaccine…

You are confusing the Covid vaccines with CRISPR although both use mRNA. The Covid vaccines stimulate an immune response to develop antibodies. This has been done since Edward Jenner developed a smallpox vaccine years ago. CRISPR is a new technology that defeats a virus by cutting up its DNA.