[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Wish I had a crystal ball but , alas, I do not. Having said that, this article is very encouraging to all those of us who have been vaccinated with a Covid-19 vaccine.......

How Do We Know the COVID-19 Vaccine Won’t Have Long-Term Side Effects?

There are WAY more long-term issues to be FEARED from being unvaccinated than being vaccinated. You have recorded long-haul effects of the VIRUS. You have possible death! You have large hospital bills from long stays. The unvaccinated are allowing more and more deadly variants to mutate and take over. The unvaccinated are putting the US and world ECONOMY at risk. The unvaccinated have already destabilized US society by creating division and chaos! More and more vaccine-hesitant people are deciding to GET the vaccine. More private businesses will soon be mandating vaccines for their employees and customers. But, will that be soon enough - or did the VIRUS have time to gain the upper hand worldwide? Is the score now VIRUS - 3 points versus HUMANS - 1 point?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

First, I agree with most of what you said, and certainly the intent (as I see it) of what you said. If you had left out the word "unnecessary" I would have agreed with more.

Necessary is a controversial term.

I guess I see at least part of the reason for vaccinating children is that the delta variant is infecting children at a higher rate. While less deadly it spreads faster. And a spreading variant is likely to mutate again.

So, vaccination helps reduce mutations by reducing the spread. That is worth something.

I do NOT believe that Delta is LESS deadly. The recent US-wide statistics show a tripling of hospitalizations and a DOUBLING of DEATHS. Check it out. I have heard that more than once on RESPECTED TV sources. And Delta is certainly more DEADLY to young people. Check Dr. Vin Gupta.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Girlcopper

Its called wait and see. Hundreds of articles have been out and this one is nothing new. Why keep rehashing it? Bored?

The Delta variant IS new and newsworthy. Florida has 25% of the US new cases and they are because of Delta. That is NEW. People in TV Land want to stay current on ALL possible NEW public health information. This forum IS the proper place for IMPORTANT news. Travel is important to TV Landers and, for example, US citizens can travel to Canada in about a month IF they can show proof of vaccination. This could change if CV conditions worsen in the US. So, it is all changing rapidly and we NEED to stay informed. This is one of the most important and dynamic times in modern history - and more public forum discussion is NEEDED, not less!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I do NOT believe that Delta is LESS deadly. The recent US-wide statistics show a tripling of hospitalizations and a DOUBLING of DEATHS. Check it out. I have heard that more than once on RESPECTED TV sources. And Delta is certainly more DEADLY to young people. Check Dr. Vin Gupta.

If three times as many are being hospitalized and only twice as many are dying then it is less deadly.

But, that is NOT to say it is not deadly. Also, there is a case to be made that when no one was vaccinated more died than since there are so many vacinated.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I do NOT believe that Delta is LESS deadly. The recent US-wide statistics show a tripling of hospitalizations and a DOUBLING of DEATHS. Check it out. I have heard that more than once on RESPECTED TV sources. And Delta is certainly more DEADLY to young people. Check Dr. Vin Gupta.

249 deaths per day from Delta in the US...todays data.

Covid in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count - The New York Times

[MrFlorida]

Everybody always assumes the worst, what if the side effects are good? Like maybe resistance to other diseases like cancer ?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

What "side effects" from the disease? I know at least a dozen folks that had Covid and have NO side effects from it. Yes, some folks have died WITH Covid. I am not suggesting that you are wrong, because the vaccine has probably saved millions of lives. However, the only side effects related to Covid is IF you become infected. Consider this, you are voluntarily getting the inoculation so you are running toward any side effects, whereas a person that is prudent about safety and does all the right things related to avoiding the virus is attempting to NOT become infected. So, that person will not have any side effects from the virus IF they are not infected. If they ARE infected, the chances of death or lasting side effects are very low.
I presumed the possibility of side effects when I chose to get the shots. I am the one that did all the shopping in the past year and I had no wish to infect my spouse. I willingly and knowingly took the chance that I might suffer side effects, in hopes of protecting her. If I was solo and had no one relying on me, I might have chosen a different path. I do not get the FLU shot and have never had the FLU. My choice.
Rather than second guessing and worrying over something that you have no control over, after getting the shots, why not just live your life with the idea of what will be, will be?

I could NAME 10 side effects from CV. I will give 2 for right now. If hospitalized - you have a large bill. Some people will NOT be able to pay that bill. That will make everyone's insurance costs go up. 2) For every person with a case of the Delta variant, they have infected 6 to 7 people on average. Before Delta, it was about 3.

[dougjb]

Really the only long term side effect I have heard about related to COVID is this: If you don't get vaccinated, you may contract the virus and die from COVID. That is a pretty long term side effect.

Go get vaccinated if you haven't done so already! You are risking your life and those around you. Show some community spirit!

[Jimmy Lee]

Look at the information sheet for ANY medication and you'll see that for SOME PEOPLE it can cause SERIOUS side effects. The COVID-19 vaccines are no exception. The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) maintained by the CDC shows 10,991 deaths and 30,781 hospitalizations associated with taking the COVID vaccines through July 9. Since the system is voluntary and there are serious legal consequences for misreporting this may be significant under-reporting of side effects. Google "open VAERS" to get to a website which has VAERS summary data for all vaccines, then click on "COVID Vaccine Data". The VAERS system is also used for ALL vaccines and I think Americans receive something like 500 million vaccinations a year. Yet since the COVID vaccine jabs started the number of VAERS reports has sky-rocketed. And remember the COVID vaccines have not gone through the same exhaustive years-long testing that other vaccines went through to get FDA approval. And the COVID vaccine are not FDA approved. They only have Emergency Use Authorization.

COVID-19 has an infection fatality rate that varies tremendously with age. I've seen a meta-analysis showing the infection fatality rate is over 1,000 times higher for 80+ year-olds then for those 19 years old or younger. Add in co-morbidities such as obesity, emphysema or pulmonary edema which many old-timers have and you see that COVID-19 can be deadly for us Villagers.

For Villagers taking the vaccine involves trading the risk of side effects for a significant reward (perhaps life itself). And if there are long-term side-effects we might not be around a long time to experience them. But, for a healthy young college student, especially a girl who may want to have children someday taking the vaccine involves trading the risk of side effects (sometimes fatal or life-altering) for almost no reward. If a young healthy person gets COIVD-19 they might not even know they have it or simply suffer a few sniffles and if they do get COVID-19 they will be rewarded with anti-bodies protecting them against future coronavirus infections.

For old-timers taking the COVID vaccine is a no-brainer. Forcing young children to take it is child abuse.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Boomer

The virus is hitting young, healthy adults now — hard. They are being hospitalized. Some are dying. They are young and thought they were invincible.

Why can’t these 30, 40, 50 year-olds figure out that if they are vaccinated, they are protecting children — even — and especially — if they do not want their own kids vaccinated?

The more adults vaccinated, the more we protect children and let them get back to normal childhood life, including education alongside other kids — like in the “old days.”

Why are so many young adults unwilling to analyze risk vs. benefit and take the vaccination to insulate their children — who might not be vaccinated? Why can’t they see the compromise in adults taking the vaccine to protect children?

Children do not have a voice. Adults do.

The loss of a child leaves a longterm effect that never goes away — and the loss of a parent for a child leaves a longterm effect, too.

Boomer

That is correct to included children's education and socialization in the discussion of long-term effects - because ideally, the US should have been able to vaccinate, mask and socially distance itself from Covid by the beginning of this new school year. We did NOT succeed well! So, the long-term effects on US society could be devastating. The next generation of leaders and workers could be less motivated and creative. There will likely be NEW health care problems and NEW vaccines needed in the future.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Here's my take on this so far. Even though I'm in a better position to evaluate the evidence and draw conclusions, I'm totally confused, mainly due to conflicting data/reports.

On one hand, we have been told locally by the Orange County health director that 0 of the last 2000 "new cases" were vaccinated. And nationally, the CDC basically states the same thing by citing a 0.007% breakthrough rate. On the other hand there are the reports of the Yankees, the Olympic athletes, and some pro golfers that have been "cases" at a high percentage even after vaccination. Who is telling the truth????

The next question is: What constitutes a case? Is it merely a positive antigen test without symptoms? If so, is there something about the test that is affected by the vaccination, which after all is mRNA that codes for the spike protein, which is what the test looks for. Measles, mumps, rubella, polio have all been mentioned as vaccines that almost everyone has had. But did we test someone for measles EVERY OTHER DAY after the vaccine???? Of course not, so why are we testing like crazy after this vaccine. If we had tested for those other vaccines, what would the results have been?

While it is cost prohibitive for the general population, why don't we test Olympians and pro athletes for the ANTIBODY? Do it once and forget about it since they are immune if they have the antibody.

The way I understand it is.......the Delta variant has greater potential to breakthrough in a Vaccinate person. That person then suffers only mild symptoms or is asymptomatic. They then carry around a SMALL amount of CV. The amount is too small to infect other vaccinated people. The Olympics must have sophisticated testing that detects these SMALL amounts - Then out of an abundance of caution and to satisfy high Japanese concern - they quarantine those athletes.

What I am curious about is if these small amounts of CV carried by the asymptomatic vaccinated people are enough to infect unvaccinated people? I have not heard an answer to that question.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DAVES

We continue to ask for, demand answers to unanswerable questions. Today it is very unlikely that aspirin could be brought to market. Cancer, is not usually caused by one thing it is multiple assaults.

A covid 19 shot, if allows you to live longer will result in the side effects of getting older.

Nothing is perfect, everything has risks. I've yet to see a study on how many people died in a car crash on the way to get a covid vaccine.

Cholesterol is raised by worry. My wife worries. We eat the same diet. My cholesterol is low. Hers is high.

It could also be different genetics.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

If three times as many are being hospitalized and only twice as many are dying then it is less deadly.

But, that is NOT to say it is not deadly. Also, there is a case to be made that when no one was vaccinated more died than since there are so many vacinated.

What I was trying to say is that the comparisons are between deaths in the most recent weeks, where the Delta variant became dominant, and PRIOR weeks. Also, hospitalizations compared weeks to weeks. I did NOT mean to compare ratios of deaths to hospitalizations. That ratio has been slowly decreasing in the past due to better hospital techniques and experiences. Sorry for the lack of clarity!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

Everybody always assumes the worst, what if the side effects are good? Like maybe resistance to other diseases like cancer ?

That is a GREAT point! I did not think of that. That shows the value of a wide-ranging discussion in a forum for a life and death topic. TVLanders want knowledge!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Swoop

But hardly “long term”. How may class action suits have be brought against manufacturers of products or drugs years after they were released because of the adverse long term effects? nRMA vaccines haven’t been around long enough to have that data compiled.

Then this entire discussion is nothing but conjecture and speculation...