[Packer Fan]

Originally Posted by John41

If we can reach herd immunity at about 70% of the population vaccinated then the virus will die out by itself. Children do not have fully developed immunine systems like adults do and can have severe reactions. Nice you want to sacrifice kids though. NOT.

you could not be more wrong - chance of death in Children is like 0.005% and almost all have had other preexisting conditions. 401 deaths in children under 18 from covid since it started. An average influenza year kills 200 kids. in 2009, we lost 477 children to H1N1 Flu, and we didn't call to do anything at all.

In related news - over 4000 children die in car crashes - should we stop allowing them to ride in cars?

[Love2Swim]

From Harvard University -While the risk of COVID causing severe illness and hospitalization is much lower compared to adults, it’s important to remember that at least 491 children ages 0 to 17 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.

It’s understandable that many parents will be uncomfortable with either choice, vaccinate now or wait. But the rise of the more contagious and possibly more dangerous Delta variant, combined with the protection offered by herd immunity, supports the CDC recommendation that all children ages 12 year and older get vaccinated.

[Bay Kid]

Doesn't anyone care where this virus started? It seems a virus released, that killed millions, the world would like to know.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Doesn't anyone care where this virus started? It seems a virus released, that killed millions, the world would like to know.

First, it is not known if it was intentionally released, so, no I am not interested in where. There are investigations going on to try to determine if and where it was released until there is evidence (not common sense, not someone said, not a podiatrist says, but evidence) I am not worried or concerned at all.

There are enough things to worry about that are proven, without taking on all those that are supposition.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Packer Fan

The only long term side effect is you won't die. You do realize that the reason trials are 2 months long is that that is the time period of the longest lasting side effect from ANY VACCINE EVER. Vaccines have been around for a long time.

On top of that these mRNA vaccines have to have a very specific adjuvant so they even stay around in your blood stream long enough to have an effect. Only two companies have figured this out to the point of a successful vaccine.

On top of that these are MUCH safer than older live or deactivated live vaccines because there is no possible way for your to get Covid from it.

You also realize you probably had 15 or more vaccines in your life? This is why infant mortality is a small fraction of what it used to be, and we are having the first pandemic in 100 years.

Stop listening to crazy's on the internet. Jeez I am so sick of this craziness

There is no way you can get anything from an attenuated (deactivated) vaccine, either...

Not since the old smallpox vaccine has anyone use live vaccines in a vaccination...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Packer Fan

The only long term side effect is you won't die. You do realize that the reason trials are 2 months long is that that is the time period of the longest lasting side effect from ANY VACCINE EVER. Vaccines have been around for a long time.

On top of that these mRNA vaccines have to have a very specific adjuvant so they even stay around in your blood stream long enough to have an effect. Only two companies have figured this out to the point of a successful vaccine.

On top of that these are MUCH safer than older live or deactivated live vaccines because there is no possible way for your to get Covid from it.

You also realize you probably had 15 or more vaccines in your life? This is why infant mortality is a small fraction of what it used to be, and we are having the first pandemic in 100 years.

Stop listening to crazy's on the internet. Jeez I am so sick of this craziness

I think you meant to say ......... "so they don't even".............

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Packer Fan

That is not correct. According to most "experts" it is like 2.8 times. However, the vaccine is effective so who cares.

OK. Now I'm officially confused about this. I've seen, on MSM news that " Delta variant has 1000X more viral load" expression a few times now. How can they be referring to the same statistic as the " 2.8 times" stat that you made. These cannot be referring to the same thing.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

There is no way you can get anything from an attenuated (deactivated) vaccine, either...

Not since the old smallpox vaccine has anyone use live vaccines in a vaccination

True.

Very little can go wrong with the mRNA vaccine (I never heard that one before - LOL).

But, seriously, mRNA builds on past vaccine data and has been in testing for decades. There is always the possibility of something happening with anything new, but the odds are in the vaccine's favor.

If we are going to worry about everything new, then most food can not be eaten. Most medications can't be taken. Shouldn't fly on new airplanes for at least a couple of years (Boeing 737Max? and now 787?). And on and on.

Yes, stuff happens. If you want to live your life in a constant state of fear, well, it's your life.

When it comes to vaccines to stop pandemics, I can see them becoming mandatory next year. If we get another significant surge and another 1/2 million Americans die. I don't think that is going to happen; it is unlikely. But then the original was supposed to be self-terminating and no worse than influenza. So, we won't know until we do know just how bad their new variants are.

I believe the benefits of stopping the virus out weight the potentially harmful long-term effects - in my very not so humble opinion. And I am not just talking about medical benefits; there are economic benefits to the country (world!). There are lifestyle benefits to people gaining the confidence to get back to their "normal" lives. There are long-term benefits to children being able to get back to school. And on and on.

I completely understand how some people are concerned that the virus is new and has not undergone long-term testing. But, I struggle to understand how someone our age is so worried about "long-term" side effects that they are not willing to risk it for the good of our country, neighbors, and grandchildren. I mean to be fair, just how "long term" can they be at our age?

I will be lucky if I can get another ten years out of this old worn-out body.

[Villagevip]

Posted article seems Pollyannish, happy face from the powers that be... For a different more objective prognosis, opinion, youtube Bitchute posts articles a little more alarming...Jus FYI...

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Except the dead ones, and the ones with permanent lung/heart damage, and permanently compromised immune systems. They didn't weather the pandemic so great.


Yeah let's wait to see if they get sick and die in the next year from the current new strain, and future new strains. If they don't get sick and die, then we can uh - not vaccinate them since clearly they've weathered the pandemic. If they get sick and die, then uh - I guess we probably should've vaccinated them. Ooops.

I'll compare your reasoning to drowning women to see if they're witches. If they float, they're witches and you can execute them. If they're not witches, they'll drown. Woops.

Maybe you should view some stats regarding the ages that are MOST affected by the virus. Although, how anyone could not be aware by now is a mystery.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

There is no way you can get anything from an attenuated (deactivated) vaccine, either...

Not since the old smallpox vaccine has anyone use live vaccines in a vaccination...

Actually, there is a big difference between a live attenuated vaccine and a dead one.
Dead is dead, you can't get the disease from it
Rarely, however, a live attenuated virus, especially in an immunocompromised host, will give the disease, usually a milder form.
Polio is a live attenuated vaccine, about 1 in a million will develop some form of polio from the vaccine. Someone on this or a related thread posted that their relative did get polio from the vaccine, sad, but also VERY rare.
Measles, Yellow fever, Varicella-Zoster and the nasal spray form of the flu shot are all live attenuated viruses in use today. Smallpox was, but since the disease is extinct, that vaccine is no longer given

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

True.

Very little can go wrong with the mRNA vaccine (I never heard that one before - LOL).

But, seriously, mRNA builds on past vaccine data and has been in testing for decades. There is always the possibility of something happening with anything new, but the odds are in the vaccine's favor.

If we are going to worry about everything new, then most food can not be eaten. Most medications can't be taken. Shouldn't fly on new airplanes for at least a couple of years (Boeing 737Max? and now 787?). And on and on.

Yes, stuff happens. If you want to live your life in a constant state of fear, well, it's your life.

When it comes to vaccines to stop pandemics, I can see them becoming mandatory next year. If we get another significant surge and another 1/2 million Americans die. I don't think that is going to happen; it is unlikely. But then the original was supposed to be self-terminating and no worse than influenza. So, we won't know until we do know just how bad their new variants are.

I believe the benefits of stopping the virus out weight the potentially harmful long-term effects - in my very not so humble opinion. And I am not just talking about medical benefits; there are economic benefits to the country (world!). There are lifestyle benefits to people gaining the confidence to get back to their "normal" lives. There are long-term benefits to children being able to get back to school. And on and on.

I completely understand how some people are concerned that the virus is new and has not undergone long-term testing. But, I struggle to understand how someone our age is so worried about "long-term" side effects that they are not willing to risk it for the good of our country, neighbors, and grandchildren. I mean to be fair, just how "long term" can they be at our age?

I will be lucky if I can get another ten years out of this old worn-out body.

Good solid post!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually, there is a big difference between a live attenuated vaccine and a dead one.
Dead is dead, you can't get the disease from it
Rarely, however, a live attenuated virus, especially in an immunocompromised host, will give the disease, usually a milder form.
Polio is a live attenuated vaccine, about 1 in a million will develop some form of polio from the vaccine. Someone on this or a related thread posted that their relative did get polio from the vaccine, sad, but also VERY rare.
Measles, Yellow fever, Varicella-Zoster and the nasal spray form of the flu shot are all live attenuated viruses in use today. Smallpox was, but since the disease is extinct, that vaccine is no longer given

Good post. Thanks for the knowledge!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Doesn't anyone care where this virus started? It seems a virus released, that killed millions, the world would like to know.

There are already threads about that. THIS thread is about long-term effects (if any) of the vaccine.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Maybe you should view some stats regarding the ages that are MOST affected by the virus. Although, how anyone could not be aware by now is a mystery.

The people who are most affected by it, are people who catch it from someone else.

If there isn't anyone available to give it to them, then it's unlikely they'll catch it, and be affected by it at all.