[CoachKandSportsguy]

‘Shocked and heartbroken’: Patient shoots, kills doctor in exam room

Get rid of the guns or get rid of the people. . .

get rid of the guns so that someone with anger and irrational issues doesn't have a chance to do something stupid. .

[Keefelane66]

And, NRA Sues ATF Over New Pistol Stabilizing Brace Regulations.
There are an average of 100 shootings daily
So far this year there have been over 350 mass shootings.
Wish it wasn’t so.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

‘Shocked and heartbroken’: Patient shoots, kills doctor in exam room

Get rid of the guns or get rid of the people. . .

get rid of the guns so that someone with anger and irrational issues doesn't have a chance to do something stupid. .

Someone O'D's on opioids that they abuse. Two choices

Get rid of opioids or get rid of people

Get rid of the opioids so someone with addiction issues does not use it to kill themselves and others (DUI). Sure there are people who do not abuse opioids, or need them. Cancer patients. Legitimate pain patients. And there is one of the problems, punishing someone because of the actions of another. The person with the addiction will probably still get drugs, illegally, from a home lab etc..

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Someone O'D's on opioids that they abuse. Two choices

Get rid of opioids or get rid of people

Get rid of the opioids so someone with addiction issues does not use it to kill themselves and others (DUI). Sure there are people who do not abuse opioids, or need them. Cancer patients. Legitimate pain patients. And there is one of the problems, punishing someone because of the actions of another. The person with the addiction will probably still get drugs, illegally, from a home lab etc..

You have a point here, that you probably don't even realize you have.

Recreational drug users, use drugs for fun - until they're addicted, but they start out using it for fun. You don't see any advertisements recommending that folks take these drugs because it's a fun high (other than Viagra).

So maybe we need to get rid of the billboards in Florida that advertise how you too can use a real automatic weapon, at Jimbob's Range! You know the ones - with depictions of large-breasted women holding an AR-15 in a somewhat provocative pose.

Maybe we should stop looking at guns as "fun." And remember they're weapons, with the PRIMARY function being to kill. The "gun culture" is built up around guns being fun sporty things to use. I think this might be leading people to forget about the reason guns exist in the first place.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Someone O'D's on opioids that they abuse. Two choices

Get rid of opioids or get rid of people

Get rid of the opioids so someone with addiction issues does not use it to kill themselves and others (DUI). Sure there are people who do not abuse opioids, or need them. Cancer patients. Legitimate pain patients. And there is one of the problems, punishing someone because of the actions of another. The person with the addiction will probably still get drugs, illegally, from a home lab etc..

Apples and oranges? People become addicted to drugs. Are you also suggesting people are addicted to guns? If so, maybe to own a gun or purchase ammunition one would have to have a doctor prescription for same.

[Battlebasset]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

‘Shocked and heartbroken’: Patient shoots, kills doctor in exam room

Get rid of the guns or get rid of the people. . .

get rid of the guns so that someone with anger and irrational issues doesn't have a chance to do something stupid. .

I grew up with guns, and used them in the military. I don't own one now as I don't really see the need. But that doesn't mean others who purchase them legally shouldn't have them.

I wish I could wave a magic wand and make them all go away. But they won't. So it is painfully simplistic to say "Ban guns", when anyone that wants one can get one, and even make one. What we should do is enforce the laws we have, and make any gun crime punishable by long prison sentence, up to and including life without parole/death penalty. And do a far better job when a person is identified as being mentally unstable, making sure they don't get guns.

[Stu from NYC]

Lots of villagers own guns and almost never do anything stupid with them.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

‘Shocked and heartbroken’: Patient shoots, kills doctor in exam room

Get rid of the guns or get rid of the people. . .

get rid of the guns so that someone with anger and irrational issues doesn't have a chance to do something stupid. .

Good luck with that. It's impossible.

Remember what happened when we banned alcohol?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Someone O'D's on opioids that they abuse. Two choices

Get rid of opioids or get rid of people

Get rid of the opioids so someone with addiction issues does not use it to kill themselves and others (DUI). Sure there are people who do not abuse opioids, or need them. Cancer patients. Legitimate pain patients. And there is one of the problems, punishing someone because of the actions of another. The person with the addiction will probably still get drugs, illegally, from a home lab etc..

Is this what is called a butism? But, but wait what about this………

[MrFlorida]

Shooting is a SPORT, and has lots of FUN events. I suggest you join a club and see what's it all about before condeming it.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

‘Shocked and heartbroken’: Patient shoots, kills doctor in exam room

Get rid of the guns or get rid of the people. . .

get rid of the guns so that someone with anger and irrational issues doesn't have a chance to do something stupid. .

What is the point? I somehow doubt that getting rid of guns will cure stupidity.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

‘Shocked and heartbroken’: Patient shoots, kills doctor in exam room

Get rid of the guns or get rid of the people. . .

get rid of the guns so that someone with anger and irrational issues doesn't have a chance to do something stupid. .

How?

[petsetc]

Just to add fuel to the fire .... remember, ATF is specifically prohibited from digitizing their records by Congress, making all requests for info to be done by hand using boxes of paper or scanned records. In fact, I just recently heard that ATF is the only Adobe client that pays extra to have the search function removed.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Is this what is called a butism? But, but wait what about this………

There is nothing called a butism.

You are referring to "whataboutism." The phrase has been around since the 1970's.

[Blueblaze]

If you waved your hand and all 300,000,000 guns in America suddenly vanished, the lunatic in the doctor's office would have simply whipped out his knife and murdered the Doctor.

So you pass "common sense" knife control, and suddenly all the knifes disappear -- and your lunatic in the doctor's office whips out his club and bludgeons the doctor to death.

So you pass "common sense" club control, and the lunatic chokes the doctor with his bare hands.

Is it starting to sink in yet?

Here's a better idea. What if we passed "common sense" LUNATIC control -- like we had when we were kids and the lunatics were kept in lunatic asylums and the murderers were simply executed?

There weren't any fewer guns when we were kids. Heck, in my Oklahoma hometown, every pickup had a rifle in the gun rack in the window. We just had fewer lunatics and murderers.

How about we try that again?