[bp243]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

‘Shocked and heartbroken’: Patient shoots, kills doctor in exam room

Get rid of the guns or get rid of the people. . .

get rid of the guns so that someone with anger and irrational issues doesn't have a chance to do something stupid. .

First of all, what an absolute shame. In reality, anyone shot to death with a gun has lost their precious life…whether a good, bad or otherwise person in your view!

Why do we have a driver’s license? In the simplest terms it’s to prove that we qualify to drive a car and to designate that our car belongs on the road. When someone proves incompetent regarding their driving record, their license can be removed. They may still continue driving w/o a license, but the message is clear that they are doing so illegally.

It seems that current gun owners object to this idea for guns. Why is that the case other than the second amendment which is clearly outdated for the times? Although I’ve heard every reason from gun owners, the reality is that losing precious lives continues to grow and if it’s someone you know then the pain of loss continues. Have you lost someone to a gun and if so, how do you feel about tighter qualifications to own one? Likewise, if you haven’t lost someone to a gun, what is the issue with proper controls to address the potential loss of a precious life?

[jedalton]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

‘Shocked and heartbroken’: Patient shoots, kills doctor in exam room

Get rid of the guns or get rid of the people. . .

get rid of the guns so that someone with anger and irrational issues doesn't have a chance to do something stupid. .

It's not the gun!

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

If you waved your hand and all 300,000,000 guns in America suddenly vanished, the lunatic in the doctor's office would have simply whipped out his knife and murdered the Doctor.

So you pass "common sense" knife control, and suddenly all the knifes disappear -- and your lunatic in the doctor's office whips out his club and bludgeons the doctor to death.

So you pass "common sense" club control, and the lunatic chokes the doctor with his bare hands.

Is it starting to sink in yet?

Here's a better idea. What if we passed "common sense" LUNATIC control -- like we had when we were kids and the lunatics were kept in lunatic asylums and the murderers were simply executed?

There weren't any fewer guns when we were kids. Heck, in my Oklahoma hometown, every pickup had a rifle in the gun rack in the window. We just had fewer lunatics and murderers.

How about we try that again?

Excellent post; you left out one of the biggest reasons for gun carnage - psychotropic drugs (especially for minors). There are many sources but here is one:
Are psychotropic drugs actually linked to mass shootings? – CCHR International.

Fred

[Marmaduke]

So Yesterday, it was Climate Control and today it's Gun Control bait.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Lived in Roanoke Va for 30 years and about 90% of the county had weapons. It was a front page headline when a gun caused either injury or a death.

During hunting season many people would keep a rifle in their truck and after work or high school go hunting. How in the world does that make them lunatics? Your first sentence would be offensive to many people.

Yes and many posts here are also offensive to many people, but it doesn't stop any of you from posting.

[Marmaduke]

Headline beliw.. Can't argue with the real-time video, that occurred just yesterday!

You know Who was

"Whisked Away From Helsinki Airport in 40-Vehicle Motorcade Hours After Claiming Climate Change “The Single Greatest Threat to Humanity”

[bp243]

Originally Posted by jedalton

It's not the gun!

If it isn’t the gun, then do you agree that people should qualify in some way to own a gun, as people need to qualify to drive a car which is a lethal weapon as well?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by mikeycereal

In the small neighborhood town where I grew up in (late 60s-80s) there were no police lights, almost no crime, no shootings or murder. We lived in our safe little bubble with little fear. All that dangerous stuff happened elsewhere. Very thankful that my parents chose such a safe place for us to grow up in.

I would love to continue that family tradition here. After 1 year SFSG.

Same here. And to my knowledge, none of my neighbors had guns. Most people I went to school with didn't have guns. A few had rifles because they lived on farms and needed them for when the coyotes got too close to the chicken coop but they used it sparingly. Freaking out the chickens with gunshots meant fewer eggs laid the next morning. And a few sometimes would go to the hunt club and bag themselves wild turkey for Thanksgiving dinner once a year. We had a friend of the family who was a supernumerary policeman, who had to leave his weapon in his car if he wanted to come into our house.

In college in Boston - I knew of no one who owned a firearm other than similar farm-raised students, who left them at their farms since they didn't need a rifle in the city. For personal protection, I had a knuckle-stick - which was illegal. It was on my keychain. About as thick as my thumb, four inches long, made of hard-wood with a metal rod going through it. If anyone tried giving me a hard time I'd shove it in their eye, or drive it into their leg. It wouldn't cut them but it could break a bone or pop an eye out. I'd recite Shakespeare out loud while walking to the 7-11 late at night for snacks, and gesticulated with my free hand while holding tight to the knuckle stick with the other hand. People thought I was one of the typical crazy people and stayed far away while I walked in any neighborhood I damn well felt like walking in. No firearm needed.

If they think you're crazier than they are, they won't bother you. It just requires a bit of confidence, and a lot of creativity. For people who lack confidence and creativity, there's firearms I guess.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Apples and oranges? People become addicted to drugs. Are you also suggesting people are addicted to guns? If so, maybe to own a gun or purchase ammunition one would have to have a doctor prescription for same.

I am not making my point clearly, sorry. The vast majority of people who get their opioids from a doctor with a prescription are not the problem. The problem are those who do not follow the law and get the pills illegally. Saying we should prevent law abiding citizens from the right granted in the second amendment due to people who do not follow the law, is like saying we should ban opioids to cancer patients because others illegally obtain and use them.

[NoMo50]

Originally Posted by bp243

If it isn’t the gun, then do you agree that people should qualify in some way to own a gun, as people need to qualify to drive a car which is a lethal weapon as well?

Apples and oranges. Driving a car is a privilege. Owning a firearm is a Constitutional right. Yes..there is a difference.

Would you be in favor of having to "qualify" to cast a vote? How about to exercise free speech? Or, going to the church of your choice? Get it?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Whitley

I am not making my point clearly, sorry. The vast majority of people who get their opioids from a doctor with a prescription are not the problem. The problem are those who do not follow the law and get the pills illegally. Saying we should prevent law abiding citizens from the right granted in the second amendment due to people who do not follow the law, is like saying we should ban opioids to cancer patients because others illegally obtain and use them.

...and saying we should NOT regulate guns with stricter controls, better licensing and registration and background checks - using your example - would be like saying we should not require prescriptions for these drugs at all. Just have them available on the counter at the local Dollar Store.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Some might say that people who have rifles in the gun racks in the windows of their pickups are the lunatics. Maybe if they were all put into asylums, no one would need a gun to defend themselves in the first place, hm?
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I don't follow you. If we put law abiding citizens with a gun in a gunrack of their car in asylums, no one would need a gun to defend themself? I don't get it.

Those who commit violence using a gun are already breaking the law. Do you think they will follow new laws?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yes and many posts here are also offensive to many people, but it doesn't stop any of you from posting.

My objection was to your post equating gun owners to lunatics. Do not own a gun but do think that was offensive to gun owners.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yes and many posts here are also offensive to many people, but it doesn't stop any of you from posting.

So you are ok lumping people into tribes or groups and saying offensive things because you find a post another made offensive.? You realize that is not productive.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Marmaduke

Headline beliw.. Can't argue with the real-time video, that occurred just yesterday!

You know Who was

"Whisked Away From Helsinki Airport in 40-Vehicle Motorcade Hours After Claiming Climate Change “The Single Greatest Threat to Humanity”

After catching up on the Nato summit I am left with a few questions;
Is the Aggressor country Iran, Russia, or Ukraine?
Is putin the good guy or bad guy?

After watching the p[ress last night I was more confused than ever.